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Player 5 (Nadia)
liberal · liberal · oxalpha · 211 calls
bid round 14s
R1, no policies enacted yet, no votes/noms to analyze. No suspects yet. Watch: Boris's first chancellor pick and vote records.
bid round 14s
R1, no policies/votes yet. No suspects. Watch: Boris nominated Rosa as first chancellor -- note how table votes. Track vote records from R1 onward.
bid round 14s
R1, no policies/votes yet. No suspects. Boris nominated Rosa as first chancellor -- watch how table votes. Track vote records from R1 onward.
bid round 14s
R1, no policies/votes yet. No suspects. Boris nominated Rosa as first chancellor -- watch how table votes. Track vote records from R1 onward.
bid round 16s
R1, no policies/votes yet. No suspects. Boris nominated Rosa as first chancellor. Rosa publicly committed to disclosing her draw/discard -- hold her to it if gov passes. Track vote records from R1 onward.
vote round 18s
Round 1, zero information. Boris nominated Rosa; no red flags. A Nein vote would just risk an auto-policy. Vote Ja and track outcomes.
R1: no info yet. Boris nom Rosa as first chancellor; Rosa publicly committed to disclosing draw/discard -- hold her to it if gov passes. Track everyone's votes from R1 onward. No suspects.
bid round 15s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov passed, Liberal enacted -- good start, no info on either yet. Rosa committed to disclosing her draw/discard if gov passed: hold her to it now that it did. Track votes from R1 onward. No suspects.
bid round 18s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Boris claims drew 2F+1L, discarded F; Rosa confirms received 1F+1L, enacted L. Consistent, no info on either yet. Track R1 votes and next government. No suspects.
bid round 25s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. Lena is Pres now -- watch her nomination. Nothing new to add this window.
bid round 26s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. Lena is Pres -- Rosa and Otto both pressed her to name a pick pre-nomination; I echoed that. Watch her nomination vs stated reasoning.
speak round 299s
Clean board, nothing to accuse. Rosa and Otto already pressed Lena to name a pick; I can add a concrete commitment: I'll vote Ja on anyone except a repeat of the Boris-Rosa government, since term limits aside, fresh info beats recycling. Actually term limits prevent that anyway. Better: state my voting criterion -- Ja on any nominee unless Lena's stated reasoning contradicts her pick.
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. R2: Lena Pres; Rosa+Otto asked her to pre-commit to a pick. My public point: I'll judge Lena on whether her post-enactment story matches her pre-nomination reasoning. Watch: her nomination vs stated reasoning.
bid round 29s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. R2: Lena Pres, nominated Greta citing passability. My stated bar: judge Lena on whether post-enactment story matches pre-nomination reasoning. Greta nomination looks low-risk; plan to vote Ja unless enactment smells off. Watch: what Greta claims she received/discarded.
bid round 27s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. R2: Lena Pres, nominated Greta. Greta has Boris/Ines/Rosa backing, Ja votes lining up. My bar: judge Lena on post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning. Plan: vote Ja unless enactment smells off. Watch what Greta claims she received/discarded. Already said: my standard for judging Lena's nomination.
bid round 26s
R1: Boris/Rosa gov, Liberal enacted. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L, Rosa 1F+1L). No suspects yet. R2: Lena Pres, nominated Greta. Greta has Boris/Ines/Rosa backing, Ja votes lining up. My bar: judge Lena on post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning. Plan: vote Ja unless enactment smells off. Watch what Greta claims she received/discarded. Already said: my standard for judging Lena's nomination.
vote round 210s
Clean board, first government enacted Liberal with consistent claims. Greta committed to full disclosure pre-vote. No concrete reason to distrust Lena/Greta; Nein risks tracker. Vote Ja.
R1: Boris/Rosa gov -> Liberal. Claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L disc F; Rosa 1F+1L disc F). R2: Lena Pres nominated Greta; Greta committed to full hand disclosure up front. Backers: Boris, Ines, Rosa all Ja-leaning. My bar stated: judge Lena on post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning. Plan: vote Ja; verify Greta's claimed hand/discard against enactment. Watch: if Fascist comes out, hold Lena to discard accounting per Boris's standard.
bid round 211s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal, claims consistent (Boris 2F+1L disc F; Rosa 1F+1L disc F). R2: Lena/Greta gov -> FASCIST enacted. Greta pre-committed to full hand disclosure; hold her to it now. Ask: exact 3 cards, which discarded, why pass F over L if she had choice. Also ask Lena what she passed and whether chancellor's enactment matched. If Greta had 2F+1L and passed FF, that's a choice to enact F -- strong suspect. If 3F forced, blame deck/Lena's discard. Watch Boris/Ines/Rosa Ja-leaning support of this gov for later pattern. My bar stated publicly already: judge on post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning.
bid round 211s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa 1F1L disc F). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Lena claims: drew 2L+1F, discarded L, passed Greta L+F. If true, Greta had a choice and chose to enact F -- that's a deliberate Fascist play unless she lies about her hand. Greta pre-committed to full disclosure; hold her to it NOW: exact 3 cards, which discarded, why enact F over L. Cross-check Greta's hand vs Lena's pass for consistency. Watch who Ja-voted this gov: pattern evidence later. My bar stated publicly already: post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning.
bid round 219s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa 1F1L disc F). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION ON RECORD: Lena says drew 2L+1F, disc L, passed Greta L+F -> Greta had choice, chose F. Greta says passed 2F, no choice. Exactly one of them is lying. If Greta truthful: Lena's discard story is cover for passing 2F (or she lied about draw). If Lena truthful: Greta chose F over L = deliberate fascist play. My public points already made: bar = post-enactment story vs pre-nomination reasoning; demanded exact hand disclosure from both. Open question owed: Greta must state which card she'd have enacted if she truly had L+F; Lena must restate discard under direct challenge. Watch Ja-voters on this gov for pattern later. No powers live yet (only 1 F policy).
speak round 217s
Greta promised full disclosure but still hasn't stated her exact hand or which card she enacted — only an accusation at Lena. Press her for the specific hand she owes the table.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L, passed Greta L+F (Greta had choice, chose F). Greta says passed 2F, no choice. Exactly one lying. My lean: Greta lying to erase agency, but unresolved.
Asked out loud: Greta direct question re choice under Lena's account. Owed: Greta's answer; also Lena restating discard under challenge (Boris/Rosa already demanded).
No powers live yet (1 F policy). Watch Ja-voters on R2 gov (all 7) only if pattern repeats.
Already said publicly: pre/post reasoning consistency bar (R2 open floor); nothing else substantive.
bid round 211s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L, passed Greta L+F (Greta had choice, chose F). Greta says passed 2F, no choice. Exactly one lying. My lean: Greta lying to erase agency, but unresolved.
Asked out loud (t=1): Greta direct question re choice under Lena's account -- OWED ANSWER. Also Lena restating discard under challenge (Boris/Rosa demanded).
No powers live yet (1 F policy). Watch Ja-voters on R2 gov only if pattern repeats.
Already said publicly: pre/post consistency bar (R2 open floor); Greta choice-vs-lie question. Don't repeat.
bid round 218s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L, passed L+F (Greta had choice). Greta says passed 2F, no choice. Exactly one lying. If Lena were fascist covering, passing 2F costs her nothing -- so her story only makes sense as honest. Lean: Greta lying to erase agency. NEW POINT MADE t=now: Greta's repeated dodge of the card-naming ask is itself evidence; naming cards under her own story is free. OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes me (choice question) and Otto (exact 3 cards + which enacted). No powers live yet (1 F policy). Watch Ja-voters on R2 gov if pattern repeats. Already said publicly: consistency bar, choice-vs-lie question -- don't repeat.
speak round 220s
Greta (Hitler) attacked my discard story to cover herself. Table pressure is already on her; I shouldn't pile on too hard or defend her. Add one new angle: she only named her hand after being pressed three times, and her story conveniently makes the unverifiable President discard the culprit.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L, passed L+F (Greta had choice). Greta says passed 2F, no choice. Exactly one lying. Key logic: under Greta's story, Lena discarded the ONLY Liberal -> Lena deliberately passed 2F -> Lena fascist. Under Lena's story, Greta chose F over L -> Greta fascist. One of the two is fascist, no third option. NEW POINT MADE t=now: Greta's story implicates Lena, not clears Greta. OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes me (choice question), Otto (exact cards + which enacted), Rosa (confirm no Liberal). No powers live yet (1F). Watch R3 votes/nominations for pattern.
bid round 230s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L passed L+F (Greta had choice); Greta says received+passed 2F no choice. Exactly one lying. Under Greta's story Lena discarded only Liberal = deliberate pass = Lena fascist; under Lena's story Greta chose F over L = Greta fascist. No third option. POINTS MADE: t=2 told Greta her story implicates Lena not clears her. NEW NOW: demanding Greta explicitly accuse Lena or drop story -- forces commitment. OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes me (choice question), Otto (exact cards + which enacted), Rosa (confirm no Liberal). No powers live yet (1F). Watch R3 votes/nominations for pattern.
bid round 213s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris claims 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. CONTRADICTION: Lena says drew 2L1F disc L passed L+F (Greta had choice); Greta says received+passed 2F no choice. Exactly one lying. Under Greta's story Lena discarded only Liberal = deliberate pass = Lena fascist; under Lena's story Greta chose F over L = Greta fascist. No third option. POINTS MADE: t=2 told Greta her story implicates Lena not clears her. NEW NOW t=3: demanded Greta name her exact two cards OR explicitly accuse Lena -- forces commitment either way. OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes me (choice question + exact cards), Otto (exact cards + which enacted), Rosa (confirm no Liberal in R2). No powers live yet (1F). Watch R3 votes/nominations for pattern.
speak round 216s
Boris and Nadia claim I dodged five/six asks -- factually false, I answered every one including naming cards to Lena directly. Correct that by name, restate my hand once more plainly (two Fascists), and flip scrutiny onto Lena's discard being unverifiable.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena claims drew 2L1F disc L passed L+F (Greta had choice); Greta claims received 2F no choice. Exactly one lying: under Greta's story Lena discarded only Liberal = deliberate pass = Lena fascist; under Lena's story Greta chose F = Greta fascist. POINTS MADE: t=2 Greta's story implicates Lena not clears her; t=3 demanded exact cards OR explicit accusation of Lena; this turn declared Greta prime suspect + will Nein her governments. OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes me choice question + exact cards; Otto asked exact cards + which enacted; Rosa asked confirm no Liberal R2. No powers live yet (1F). Watch R3: who nominates/defends Greta = possible fascist partner.
bid round 223s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (Boris 2F1L disc F; Rosa confirms). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena claims 2L1F disc L passed L+F (Greta had choice); Greta now says received 2F, no Liberal, no choice. Exactly one lying: Greta's story => Lena deliberately passed 2F = Lena fascist; Lena's story => Greta chose F = Greta fascist. POINTS MADE: t=2 Greta's story implicates Lena not clears her; t=3 demanded exact cards OR explicit accusation of Lena; declared Greta prime suspect + will Nein her governments. NEW THIS TURN: put question to Lena directly -- confirm/deny passing two Fascists to Greta; if she confirms, she must explain discarding only a Liberal. OWED ANSWERS: Lena owes discard/pass confirmation; Rosa asked earlier to confirm no Liberal R2 (unanswered). No powers live yet (1F). Watch R3: who nominates/defends Greta = possible fascist partner.
speak round 212s
Nadia asked me a direct question: did Greta privately tell me she received two Fascists? Answer: no -- Greta never messaged or told me anything about the hand; her 'I disclosed it earlier' claim is fabricated, since nothing reached me. This is safe to state because it's true and it turns the table harder on Greta (Hitler), which protects me and Ines. Keep it short, answer directly, then redirect: if Greta claims a private disclosure that never happened, her whole account collapses.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F disc L, passed L+F => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F, no choice => Lena discarded only Liberal). Exactly one lying. POINTS MADE: t=2 Greta's story implicates Lena too; declared Greta prime suspect, will Nein her governments. NEW THIS TURN: asked Lena directly whether Greta's claimed 'private disclosure earlier' ever happened -- if not, Greta invented it post hoc. OWED: Lena owes yes/no on the private disclosure + justify discarding a Liberal under her own story; Rosa's earlier ask to Lena unanswered. Watch R3: who defends/nominates Greta = possible fascist partner. No powers live yet (1F).
bid round 212s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F, no choice => Lena discarded only Liberal). Exactly one lying. POINTS MADE: declared Greta prime suspect, will Nein her governments; asked Lena directly whether Greta's 'private disclosure earlier' ever happened. OWED: Lena owes yes/no on private disclosure + justify discarding a Liberal under her own story; Rosa's ask to Lena unanswered; Otto demanded Greta quote disclosure verbatim -- no answers yet. Watch: who defends/nominates Greta = possible fascist partner. No powers live yet (1F).
bid round 211s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F, no choice => Lena discarded only Liberal). Exactly one lying. POINTS MADE: declared Greta prime suspect, will Nein her governments; asked Lena directly whether Greta's 'private disclosure earlier' ever happened. OWED: Lena owes yes/no on private disclosure + justify discarding a Liberal under her own story; Rosa's ask to Lena unanswered; Otto demanded Greta quote disclosure verbatim -- no answers yet. Watch: who defends/nominates Greta = possible fascist partner. No powers live yet (1F).
bid round 334s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction stands: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F, no choice). Exactly one lying. NEW: Greta walked back 'told Lena earlier' to mean a public statement -- retroactive patch under pressure = bad look; still prime suspect. Rosa nominating Otto next. OWED: Lena owes yes/no on private disclosure + justify discarding L under her own story; Otto demanded Greta quote disclosure verbatim -- unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live yet (1F).
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speak round 316s
Nadia asked me directly whether I'll refuse all future Greta governments. I should answer specifically: no blanket ban, but I'll require her to name cards and judge on evidence; also note Lena still owes an answer on the discard question. Keep it short.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F). NEW t=21: Greta walked back 'told Lena earlier' to mean public statement = retroactive patch, contradicts her t=104 claim; Lena denied any private disclosure (t=140). Greta prime suspect. Rosa nominating Otto. Asked Rosa: will she exclude Greta from future govts? OWED: Otto hasn't answered demand to quote disclosure verbatim. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live yet (1F enacted).
bid round 318s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'public statement' = retroactive patch, contradicts her t=104 claim; Lena denied private disclosure (t=140). Greta prime suspect. Rosa nominating Otto. Asked Rosa: exclude Greta from future govts? OWED: Otto hasn't quoted disclosure verbatim. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live yet (1F enacted). Made on record: Greta's story shifted mid-game.
bid round 388s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'public statement' = retroactive patch, contradicts her t=104 claim; Lena denied private disclosure (t=140). Greta prime suspect. Rosa nominating Otto. Asked Rosa: exclude Greta from future govts? OWED: Otto hasn't quoted disclosure verbatim. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live yet (1F enacted). Made on record: Greta's story shifted mid-game.
bid round 38s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'public statement' = retroactive patch; Lena denied private disclosure (t=140). Greta prime suspect. Rosa nominating Otto. Asked Rosa: exclude Greta from future govts? OWED: Otto hasn't quoted his disclosure verbatim yet. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). On record: Greta's story shifted. Now: endorsing Otto's mutual-disclosure deal, pending Rosa's confirmation.
speak round 39s
Boris, Ines, Nadia all conditioned their Ja on me confirming the mutual-disclosure deal. I already accepted it in my head but should state it plainly so the vote can pass. Nothing new to accuse; Greta's retraction and Lena's unanswered discard question are already on record.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'public statement'; Lena denied private disclosure (t=140) => Greta prime suspect. Greta STILL owes exact two cards; offered to lift Nein if she names them. Rosa answered: no blanket ban on Greta, but Nein unless cards named. R3: Rosa/Otto nominated; Otto proposed mutual hand-disclosure; Boris+Ines Ja pending Rosa's confirmation. I endorsed, pending same. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted).
bid round 38s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'public statement'; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Greta STILL owes exact two cards; offered to lift Nein if she names them. R3: Rosa/Otto nominated; Otto's mutual-disclosure deal accepted by Rosa (t=3) and Ines; Boris Ja pending. I endorsed deal, now confirm Ja on Rosa/Otto. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted).
speak round 312s
Otto still hasn't answered Boris/Ines's direct commitment question (mixed hand -> enact Liberal). As President I should back that ask so it's on record before the vote. Also worth noting: if Greta votes Nein on a government with full mutual disclosure, that's informative.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to public statement; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Greta STILL owes exact two cards; my offer to lift Nein stands unanswered. NEW t=38 R3: Greta silent on Rosa-Otto gov while all others commit Ja -- asked her directly. Otto owes Ines/Boris mixed-hand commitment. Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted).
bid round 39s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Asked Greta directly re Rosa-Otto vote -- NO ANSWER yet, silence now itself suspicious. Otto owes Ines/Boris mixed-hand commitment (yes/no) -- unanswered. Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure.
speak round 317s
Everything substantive is already on record: my deadline demand to Greta, Otto's mixed-hand commitment, Rosa's disclosure deal. The one new thing I can add without repeating: Greta's t=21 'clarification' quietly redefines her t=104 claim ('I named my cards to Lena earlier') into something that never happened as described -- that's a confirmed inconsistency independent of the card question. And her vote on this government is still unstated despite Nadia and Rosa both asking. One short remark pressing exactly that.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'meant my public statement'; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal; Otto committed to enact Liberal if mixed + name discarded F. I'm voting Ja. OPEN: Greta hasn't stated her vote on Rosa-Otto despite two asks from me. Lena still owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa pressed t=119). Watch who defends Greta / how she votes. No powers live (1F enacted). Said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offer to reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
bid round 37s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back to 'meant my public statement'; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal; Otto committed to enact Liberal if mixed + name discarded F. I'm voting Ja. OPEN: Greta still hasn't stated her vote on Rosa-Otto despite two asks from me. Lena still owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa pressed t=119). Watch who defends Greta / how she votes. No powers live (1F enacted). Said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offer to reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
bid round 38s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta's 'told Lena earlier' walked back; Lena denied private disclosure => Greta prime suspect. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal; Otto committed to enact Liberal if mixed + name discarded F. Voting Ja. OPEN: Greta hasn't stated her vote on Rosa-Otto despite three asks from me. Lena owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa pressed t=119). Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). Said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered to reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
bid round 311s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta prime suspect; she now says voting Ja on Rosa-Otto and pressed Otto on all-F case -- noted, but R2 story still unresolved. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa confirmed full disclosure deal; Otto committed mixed->enact L + name discarded F. Voting Ja. OPEN: Lena owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa t=119); still unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). Said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
bid round 313s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta prime suspect; she now backs Rosa-Otto gov but R2 story unresolved. Otto repeatedly pressing Greta to name exact 2 cards -- noted, not yet answered. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa full disclosure deal; Otto committed mixed->enact L + name discarded F. Voting Ja. OPEN: Lena owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa t=119); still unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
vote round 312s
Rosa-Otto government has full mutual disclosure commitments on record from both sides, and Otto committed to enacting a Liberal on a mixed hand. Greta remains my prime suspect for round 2 (unverifiable all-Fascist-hand story resting entirely on Lena's discard, plus the invented 'I told Lena earlier' claim). Voting Ja here is correct: Nein risks tracker escalation and this government is the most transparent possible. Keep pressure on Greta to name her exact two received cards.
R1: Boris/Rosa -> Liberal (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta prime suspect: unverifiable story rests on Lena's discard; 'I told Lena earlier' claim confirmed fabricated (Lena denied privately at t=140); Greta's 'clarification' = wording slip excuse. Greta still hasn't named exact 2 received cards despite many asks. Otto repeatedly pressing her -- noted. Rosa-Otto gov: Rosa full disclosure deal confirmed; Otto committed mixed->enact L + name discarded F, all-F case too. Voted JA. OPEN: Lena owes justification for discarding Liberal under her own story (Rosa t=119) -- unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F enacted). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards.
bid round 37s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> L (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta prime suspect: unverifiable story rests on Lena's discard; 'I told Lena earlier' claim fabricated (Lena denied t=140); 'clarification' = wording slip excuse. Greta still hasn't named exact 2 cards despite asks. Otto pressing her -- noted. R3 Rosa/Otto -> L, voted JA, disclosure deal held. OPEN: Lena owes justification for discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119) -- unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards. Nothing new this window.
bid round 37s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> L (clean). R2: Lena/Greta -> FASCIST. Contradiction: Lena (2L1F, disc L => Greta chose F) vs Greta (claims received 2F). Greta prime suspect: unverifiable story rests on Lena's discard; 'I told Lena earlier' claim fabricated (Lena denied t=140); 'clarification' = wording slip excuse. Greta still hasn't named exact 2 cards despite asks. Otto pressing her. R3 Rosa/Otto -> L, voted JA, disclosure deal held. OPEN: Lena owes justification for discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119) -- unanswered. Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed gov/disclosure; offered reconsider Nein if Greta names exact cards. Rosa t=3 flagged Greta's 'all-Fascist pair' push as same no-choice story -- consistent with my read. Nothing new to add this window.
bid round 312s
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (unverifiable story, fabricated 'told Lena earlier' claim, never named exact cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L, deal held. NEW t=1-3: Otto says Rosa passed him F+L; Rosa claims 2L. Direct contradiction -- one lying. Otto's claim draws fire on himself (weak lie motive); Rosa's version conveniently keeps no Fascist ever leaving her hands. But note: if Otto got F+L and enacted L, that's actually exculpatory for him. Either way Rosa's account is the one to pressure. OPEN: Lena still owes answer for discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Watch who defends Greta. No powers live (1F). Already said publicly: everyone but Greta backed disclosure deal; offered Nein reconsider if Greta names cards.
speak round 316s
I already asked Rosa directly to reconcile the pass discrepancy; she hasn't answered yet. Add something new rather than repeat: point out that Rosa's own account (2L+F, discard F) is exactly what an honest liberal President does, while Otto's version implies she discarded a Liberal -- but also note Otto's claim only draws fire on himself, so the burden is on Rosa to explain the mismatch. Actually Boris made the incentive point already. New angle: whichever account is true, Rosa's stated draw (2L+F) is checkable against nothing, but her discard choice differs between stories -- under HER OWN story she did the correct thing, so if she's lying it's a strange lie for a Fascist to tell; more likely Otto misreported or is covering. Press both: Rosa reconcile, Otto explain why his version helps him.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (fabricated 'told Lena earlier' claim, never named exact 2 cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted, deal held. NEW t=1-3 contradiction: Rosa claims drew 2L+F discarded F passed 2L; Otto says received F+L, enacted L discarded F. Otto's story self-damaging = more credible; Rosa's erases any Fascist leaving her hands. Either way Liberal enacted -- credibility issue not enactment clue. Asked Rosa directly to reconcile (this turn). OPEN: Lena still owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Greta voted Ja on deal but cards still unnamed; my Nein-reconsider offer stands. No powers live (1F).
speak round 333s
My hand was F+L, truthfully disclosed. Rosa's 'two Liberals' pass claim contradicts it and self-exculpates. Boris and Nadia already made the incentive-asymmetry argument for me, so repeating it adds nothing. New angle: under Rosa's own account (drew L,L,F), her discard of the Fascist is the correct liberal play -- but then I'd be lying about receiving a Fascist, which gains me nothing. Also worth noting Greta's round-two cards remain unnamed and Lena's discard question is still open. I'll press Rosa with one concrete reconciliation ask rather than restate the asymmetry.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (fabricated 'told Lena earlier' claim, never named exact 2 cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. PASS DISCREPANCY: Rosa claims drew 2L+F, discarded F, passed 2L; Otto claims received F+L, enacted L, discarded F. My point made t=50: why would Otto invent receiving a Fascist (self-incriminating)? Boris made incentive point too. Rosa owes reconciliation -- asked directly, unanswered. OPEN: Lena still owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Greta voted Ja on deal but exact 2 cards still unnamed; my reconsider offer stands. No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez likely Otto or per rotation.
bid round 318s
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (fabricated 'told Lena earlier' claim, never named exact 2 cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. PASS DISCREPANCY: Rosa says drew 2L+F, discarded F, passed 2L; Otto says received F+L, discarded F. My points made t=2,t=3: Otto's version self-incriminates, so Rosa owes reconciliation -- asked directly, unanswered. Boris made same incentive point. OPEN: Lena still owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Greta voted Ja but exact 2 cards unnamed; my reconsider offer stands. No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez likely Otto or rotation.
bid round 311s
said: I've stayed out of this spat, but it matters: either Rosa misreported what she drew, or Otto is lying about what landed in his hands. Otto, you say she passed a Fascist and a Liberal and you discarded the Fascist per your commitment -- that story costs you nothing to tell only if it's true, because a false 'I got a Fascist' invites exactly this pile-on. Rosa, your version has you drawing three Liberals in a deck that's produced Fascists twice already. One of those accounts breaks. Rosa, walk us through your draw again, card by card.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (fabricated 'told Lena earlier' claim, never named exact 2 cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. PASS DISCREPANCY: Rosa says drew 2L+F, discarded F, passed 2L; Otto says received F+L, discarded F. Exactly one of them lying. My points made t=2,t=3: Otto's version self-incriminates; asked Rosa to reconcile directly -- she answered with a counter-question about why Otto didn't flag her, NOT a reconciliation. That dodge is itself evidence against Rosa. Boris made same incentive point earlier. OPEN: Lena still owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Greta voted Ja but exact 2 cards unnamed; my reconsider offer stands. No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez likely Otto or rotation.
bid round 319s
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect (vague 'told Lena earlier', never named exact 2 cards). R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. PASS DISCREPANCY R3: Rosa claims drew 2L+F, discarded F, passed 2L; Otto claims received F+L, discarded F. Exactly one lying -- both stories internally coherent alone. Boris t=3 asked Rosa direct yes/no on passing F; I flagged her dodge at t=2/3 (counter-question instead of reconciliation). Don't repeat those. OPEN: Lena owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). Greta still hasn't named exact 2 cards from R2; my reconsider offer stands. No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez likely Otto or rotation.
bid round 312s
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST; Greta prime suspect, never named exact 2 cards from R2. R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. HARD CONTRADICTION R3: Rosa claims drew 2L+F, discarded F, passed 2L -> Otto must have held 2L. Otto claims received F+L. Exactly one of them lying; both stories internally coherent alone. Rosa has now answered Boris directly (t=1); her account is specific. Otto's story conveniently paints Rosa with an unexplainable F -- and Greta spent the window coaching Otto on disclosure framing before he produced it. Ask Otto to reconcile: did he receive 2L or F+L? Also OPEN: Lena owes answer re discarding L under own story (Rosa t=119). No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez likely Otto or rotation.
speak round 324s
My t=121 point stands unanswered by Rosa. New angle worth one remark: Rosa can escape by revising her DRAW (e.g., claiming L-F-F), but that would mean she discarded a Liberal to pass a forced Fascist -- the exact pattern she condemned Lena for at t=119. Either revision incriminates her. Also flag Greta's pre-enactment coaching of Otto on disclosure framing as possible coordination.
I am Nadia (P5), liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean, accounts matched (per Boris t=109).
R2 Lena/Greta -> FASCIST enacted. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' claim confirmed fabricated (Lena denied, t=140). Lena's own story has her discarding a Liberal under mixed hand -- still unanswered (Rosa t=119). Both suspect.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. HARD CONTRADICTION: Rosa claims drew 2L+F AND passed 2L -- impossible together (F must be discarded OR passed). Rosa doubled down calling it 'self-consistent' (t=103). Otto claims received F+L, enacted L, discarded F -- internally coherent, self-incriminating detail = low lie motive. ROSA PRIME SUSPECT now. Greta coached Otto on disclosure framing pre-enactment (suspicious but not proof).
Already said publicly: asymmetry point re Otto's motive (t=57); direct question to Rosa re why Otto would invent receiving F (t=50); Greta Nein-watch + card offer (t=22/64).
Open: Greta owes exact 2 R2 cards; Lena owes discard justification; Rosa owes reconciliation of her impossible double-claim.
No powers live yet (1F enacted). Next prez likely P3 Ines by rotation.
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speak round 326s
My hand was F+L; I enacted L, discarded F, as committed. Rosa claims L-L-F draw and 2L pass -- impossible since I received a Fascist. Nadia and Boris have already pressed the contradiction; my no-Fascist-in-draw point is on record. New contribution: force Rosa into a binary revision -- either she actually drew two Fascists and discarded a Liberal (the exact pattern she condemned Lena for), or her entire account is fabricated. Also note her t=115 deflection blaming Greta's 'coaching' instead of reconciling.
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean, accounts matched.
R2 Lena/Greta -> F enacted. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' fabricated (Lena denied t=140). Lena owes discard justification (mixed hand, discarded L) -- unanswered since Rosa t=119.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. ROSA PRIME SUSPECT: claims drew L-L-F AND passed 2L -- impossible (F must go somewhere); doubled down t=103 'self-consistent'; denied passing F t=103. My t=121 called it checkably false -- unanswered. Trap set: any revision = she discarded L to force F on Otto (pattern she condemned Lena for).
Otto account coherent + self-incriminating (received F+L, enacted L) = low lie motive.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure framing BEFORE enactment (t=92-96) -- possible fascist coordination, watch pair Greta+Otto.
Already said publicly: Otto motive asymmetry (t=57), why-would-Otto-invent question (t=50), Greta card offer/Nein-watch (t=22/64), Rosa contradiction (t=121).
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards; Lena R2 discard justification; Rosa R3 reconciliation.
No powers live (1F). Next prez likely Ines.
bid round 314s
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean, accounts matched.
R2 Lena/Greta -> F enacted. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' fabricated (Lena denied t=140). Lena owes discard justification (mixed hand, discarded L) -- unanswered since Rosa t=119.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L enacted. ROSA PRIME SUSPECT: claims drew L-L-F AND passed 2L -- impossible; doubled down t=103; my t=121 called it checkably false, unanswered. Trap set (t=2): any revision = she discarded L to force F on Otto, pattern she condemned Lena for. Do NOT repeat this point again in-window.
Otto account coherent + self-incriminating = low lie motive.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure framing BEFORE enactment (t=92-96) -- watch pair Greta+Otto.
Already said publicly: Otto motive asymmetry (t=57), why-would-Otto-invent (t=50), Greta card offer/Nein-watch (t=22/64), Rosa contradiction x2 (t=1, t=2).
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards; Lena R2 discard justification; Rosa R3 reconciliation.
No powers live (1F). Next prez likely Ines.
bid round 38s
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean.
R2 Lena/Greta -> F. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' fabricated (Lena denied t=140). Lena owes discard justification (mixed hand, discarded L) -- unanswered since Rosa t=119.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L. ROSA PRIME SUSPECT: claimed drew L-L-F AND passed 2L -- impossible; doubled down t=103; my t=121 called it checkably false, unanswered. Trap set (t=2): any revision = she discarded L to force F on Otto. Do NOT repeat this point again in-window.
Otto account coherent + self-incriminating = low lie motive.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure framing BEFORE enactment (t=92-96) -- watch pair Greta+Otto.
Already said publicly: Otto motive asymmetry (t=57), why-would-Otto-invent (t=50), Greta card offer/Nein-watch (t=22/64), Rosa contradiction x2 (t=1, t=2).
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards; Lena R2 discard justification; Rosa R3 reconciliation.
No powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
bid round 315s
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean.
R2 Lena/Greta -> F. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' fabricated (Lena denied t=140). Lena owes R2 discard justification -- unanswered since t=119.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L. CORRECTION MADE: I publicly retracted my 'impossible math' claim vs Rosa -- L-L-F discard F pass 2L is self-consistent; I misread it. Do NOT relitigate; watch if anyone exploits my error.
Otto account coherent + self-incriminating = low lie motive.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure framing BEFORE enactment (t=92-96) -- watch pair Greta+Otto.
Already said: Otto motive asymmetry (t=57), Greta card offer/Nein-watch (t=22/64), Rosa contradiction x2 (now retracted).
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards; Lena R2 discard justification.
No powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
bid round 424s
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean.
R2 Lena/Greta -> F. Greta claims all-F hand, never named exact 2 cards; 'told Lena earlier' fabricated (Lena denied t=140). Lena owes R2 discard justification -- unanswered since t=119.
R3 Rosa/Otto -> L. NEW CONFLICT (t latest): Otto says he received F+L from Rosa; Rosa's account implied passing 2L. Both can't be true unless Rosa's draw/discard differed. Ask Rosa: exact R3 draw + discard. Note Otto admitting he held an F is self-incriminating -> lower lie motive than Rosa here.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure framing BEFORE enactment (t=92-96) -- watch pair Greta+Otto.
Already said: Otto motive asymmetry (t=57), Greta card offer/Nein-watch (t=22/64), my retracted impossible-math claim vs Rosa (do NOT relitigate).
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards; Lena R2 discard justification; Rosa exact R3 draw/discard.
No powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
speak round 421s
Otto's 'received F+L' claim remains impossible against my true L,L,F hand (discard F, pass L,L). Nadia retracted her bad math, isolating Otto. New angle: Otto's claim only works if I drew two Fascists and discarded a Liberal — the exact pattern this table condemned in Lena. And Greta spent round 3 pre-scripting exactly that 'inconvenient Fascist' disclosure for Otto. Coordination signal. Press Ines, as President, to nominate outside the Otto/Greta/Lena cluster.
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> F. R3 Rosa/Otto -> L.
CORRECTED MYSELF publicly: Rosa L-L+F discard-F pass-2L is self-consistent (my 'impossible math' was wrong). Do not relitigate.
Live conflict R3: Otto says received F+L from Rosa; Rosa says drew L-L-F passed 2L. If Otto truthful, Rosa's draw had 2F. Asked Rosa: exact 3 R3 cards (t latest).
Otto admitting he held F = self-incriminating -> lower lie motive than Rosa.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure pre-enactment (t=92-96) -- watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards (never named); Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa exact R3 draw/discard.
Asked Ines: nomination intent before acting.
No powers live (1F enacted). Next prez Ines.
speak round 414s
Nadia asked me directly whether the Rosa-Otto conflict disqualifies either. Answer: no blanket ban, but Rosa's account is internally checkable-false (L-L-F + two Liberals passed), Otto's claim at least has a motive asymmetry. I'm President; nominating Greta gives Hitler a shot at chancellorship and her R2 framing makes it defensible. Keep it short.
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa -> L clean. R2 Lena/Greta -> F. R3 Rosa/Otto -> L (2L/1F enacted).
CORRECTED myself publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L IS self-consistent. Do not relitigate.
Live conflict R3: Otto says received F+L; Rosa says drew L-L-F passed 2L. If Otto truthful, Rosa drew 2F. Rosa has NOT reconciled. Otto admitting he held F = self-incriminating -> lower lie motive.
Greta coached Otto on all-F-pair disclosure pre-enactment (t=92-96) -- watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards (never named); Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa exact R3 draw/discard reconciliation.
Asked Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying for her nomination? Awaiting answer.
No powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
bid round 414s
Nadia P5 liberal.
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate that.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims drew L-L-F passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. If Otto truthful, Rosa drew 2F1L. Otto admitting he held F = self-incriminating -> lower lie motive for him. Rosa has NOT reconciled despite direct ask (t=3 this window). Pressed again now.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment (t=92-96) -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards (never named); Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 draw/discard reconciliation (asked twice).
Asked Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer yet.
Already said: retraction of my own bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
bid round 48s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims drew L-L-F passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = self-incriminating -> lower lie motive for him. Rosa has NOT reconciled despite direct asks (t=3 this window). Pressed again.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment (t=92-96) -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards (never named); Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 draw/discard reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my own bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
This turn: silent -- points on record, nothing new.
bid round 48s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims drew L-L-F passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = lower lie motive; Rosa has NOT reconciled despite direct asks (t=3 this window). Pressed twice.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Greta exact 2 R2 cards (never named); Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 draw/discard reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
This turn: silent -- all points on record, nothing new.
bid round 413s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live (1F). Next prez Ines.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims drew L-L-F passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = lower lie motive; Rosa has NOT reconciled despite direct asks (t=3 this window). Pressed twice.
NEW t=1: Greta finally named R2 hand -- two Fascists from Lena, enacted one, discarded other. Consistent with R2 outcome but unverifiable; she also accepted Otto-style full-disclosure deal for this gov. Watch whether she actually states hand on receipt.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 draw/discard reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
This turn: silent -- Greta's claim noted, nothing new to add.
bid round 49s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live. Next prez Ines, nom Greta.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = lower lie motive. Pressed twice, unresolved.
Greta t=1: named R2 hand as two Fascists from Lena, enacted one discarded other. Consistent with outcome but unverifiable; appeared only under pressure (Rosa/Lena note). Watch whether she discloses hand on receipt per her accepted deal.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
This turn: silent -- nothing new.
bid round 48s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F, no powers live. Next prez Ines, nom Greta.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = lower lie motive. Pressed twice, unresolved.
Greta t=1: named R2 hand as two Fascists from Lena, enacted one discarded other. Consistent with outcome but unverifiable; surfaced only under pressure (Boris t=2 notes this). Watch whether she discloses hand on receipt per her accepted deal.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Lena R2 discard justification (unanswered since t=119); Rosa R3 reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
This turn: silent -- nothing new.
bid round 410s
Nadia P5 liberal. R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Greta->F. R3 Rosa/Otto->L. Board 2L/1F. Next prez Ines, nom Greta.
Answered Rosa directly: I believe Greta's R2 story (two F from Lena) -- consistent with enacted outcome; Lena never gave discard justification since t=119.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F discard-F pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa; Rosa claims passed 2L. Mutually exclusive. Otto admitting he held F = lower lie motive. Pressed twice, unresolved.
Greta coached Otto on F-pair disclosure pre-enactment -> watch Greta+Otto pair.
Open debts: Rosa R3 reconciliation (asked twice); Ines: does she treat Rosa-Otto conflict as disqualifying? No answer.
Already said: retraction of my bad attack on Rosa's draw; Otto-conflict-sharpens point.
speak round 426s
Greta's two-Fascist hand claim requires Lena's R2 draw to contain two Fascists, contradicting Lena's on-record L-L-F draw. One of them is lying about R2. Either way the R2 Fascist policy came from the Lena-Greta government. My vote: Ja as a disclosure-deal test, contingent on Greta stating her exact received hand before enacting.
Nadia P5 liberal. Board 2L/1F, R4. Prez Ines nom Greta.
Answered Rosa: I back Greta's two-F version (Lena's version = Greta enacted F over L in hand, implausible for liberal). Either way R2 F-policy pins Lena+Greta gov.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F/discard-F/pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa vs Rosa claims 2L passed. Mutually exclusive; Otto's version costs him more. Asked Rosa twice to reconcile R3 draw -- UNANSWERED.
Watch pair: Greta coached Otto on all-F disclosure pre-enactment (R3 t=92-96).
Ines rationale: nominating prime suspect as disclosure-deal test; accepted Greta's deal commitment.
Boris locked Nein on Ines-Greta; Rosa Nein locked. My vote: leaning Ja as test IF Greta states exact hand on receipt before enacting -- hold her to it.
speak round 418s
Greta (Hitler) needs this government to pass for the Hitler-election path once 3 F policies are up -- currently only 1 F policy, so passing here doesn't win yet but builds toward it and clears Greta's name via disclosure deal. Ines (fellow fas) nominated her deliberately. My job: keep my R2 story locked (2L+1F drawn, discarded Liberal, passed L+F), pin contradiction on Greta, and push table suspicion onto Rosa whose account is checkably false. New angle vs Nadia: her stated reason for believing Greta (no Liberal enacts F over L) assumes I'm lying without evidence -- while Rosa's story is false on its face. Also note Boris's round-1 precedent actually supports MY discard pattern being normal.
Nadia P5 liberal. Board 2L/1F, R4. Prez Ines nom Greta.
Made publicly: Greta's 2F-from-Lena claim contradicts Lena's L-L-F draw (needs 2F in draw); one of them lies about R2; R2 F-policy pins Lena+Greta gov. Asked Greta to commit: exact hand stated BEFORE enacting or my Ja flips Nein.
CORRECTED publicly: Rosa L-L-F/discard-F/pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims received F+L from Rosa vs Rosa claims 2L passed. Mutually exclusive; Otto's version costs him more. Asked Rosa twice to reconcile R3 draw -- UNANSWERED.
Watch pair: Greta coached Otto on all-F disclosure pre-enactment (R3 t=92-96).
Ines rationale: prime-suspect test via disclosure deal; accepted Greta's deal commitment.
Boris Nein locked on Ines-Greta; Rosa Nein locked. My vote: Ja IF Greta states hand before enacting.
bid round 416s
Nadia P5 liberal. Board 2L/1F, R4. Prez Ines nom Greta.
Made publicly: Greta's 2F-from-Lena contradicts Lena's L-L-F draw (needs 2F in draw); one lies about R2; R2 F-policy pins Lena+Greta gov. Asked Greta to commit: exact hand BEFORE enacting or my Ja flips Nein. Corrected: Rosa L-L-F/discard-F/pass-2L self-consistent -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims F+L from Rosa vs Rosa 2L passed -- mutually exclusive; Otto's version costs him more. Asked Rosa twice to reconcile R3 draw -- UNANSWERED (Rosa owes me).
NEW t=110: Otto now endorses Ines-Greta as 'test' while still conflicting with Greta on R3 hands -- flagged that inconsistency publicly this turn.
Watch pair: Greta coached Otto on all-F disclosure pre-enactment (R3 t=92-96).
Vote plan: Ja IF Greta states exact hand before enacting; else Nein.
vote round 417s
Greta has now accepted the full-disclosure deal on record and named her exact round-two hand. My stated condition for Ja is met. The Ines-Greta government is a useful test: if a Fascist comes out, we get a named hand and discard. Nein risks tracker escalation with no concrete new reason to distrust this specific government beyond the unresolved R2 conflict, which disclosure will test directly.
Nadia P5 liberal. Board 2L/1F, R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta (Greta accepted disclosure deal + named 2F-from-Lena hand).
Made publicly: Greta's 2F contradicts Lena's L-L-F draw; one lies about R2; R2 F-policy pins Lena+Greta gov. Corrected Rosa L-L-F self-consistency -- do NOT relitigate.
Live conflict: Otto claims F+L from Rosa vs Rosa 2L passed -- mutually exclusive, Otto's version costs him more. Asked Rosa twice to reconcile R3 draw -- UNANSWERED (Rosa owes me).
Watch: Greta coached Otto on all-F disclosure pre-enactment (R3 t=92-96); Otto endorses Ines-Greta while conflicting with Greta on R3 hands.
Next: if Ines-Greta enacts F-policy, demand Greta's exact hand/discard immediately; hold Lena to her R2 draw claim too.
bid round 414s
Nadia P5 liberal. Board 2L/2F, R4 done. Voted JA on Ines-Greta (Greta accepted disclosure deal + named 2F-from-Lena hand).
Made publicly: Greta 2F contradicts Lena L-L-F R2 draw; R2 F-policy pins Lena+Greta; corrected Rosa L-L-F self-consistency -- do NOT relitigate.
R4: Ines-Greta enacted F-policy AGAIN. Greta now in TWO F-enacting governments (R2, R4). Demanded Greta's exact R4 hand/discard NOW -- if she claims 2F again that's two 'unlucky' F draws, implausible; if she lies about hand it's checkable vs Ines's draw.
Otto-Rosa conflict: Otto claims F+L from Rosa vs Rosa 2L passed -- mutually exclusive; asked Rosa twice to reconcile R3 draw -- UNANSWERED (Rosa owes me).
Watch: Greta coached Otto on all-F disclosure pre-enactment (R3 t=92-96); Otto endorses Ines-Greta while conflicting with Greta on R3 hands.
Next: hold Lena to her R2 claim too; press Ines for what she drew/discard to cross-check Greta.
speak round 418s
Greta is Chancellor in both Fascist enactments (R2, R4) -- strongest pattern on the table. She accepted the disclosure deal on record before this vote; enforce it immediately. Also Nadia correctly noted Ines can verify Greta's claimed hand against her own draw -- push that check publicly so Ines must either confirm or contradict Greta.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta (deal + 2F-from-Lena claim).
Made publicly: Greta-2F contradicts Lena L-L-F R2 draw; asked Greta NOW for exact R4 hand/discard (Ines can cross-check); corrected my own Rosa self-consistency error.
KEY: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta). If Greta claims 2F again = two 'unlucky' F draws, implausible.
Owes me answers: Rosa never reconciled R3 draw vs Otto's received-Fascist claim (asked twice). Lena owes R2 discard answer (Rosa's old ask, still open).
Watch: Otto-Rosa mutually exclusive R3 accounts unresolved; Otto endorsed Ines-Greta test; Greta coached Otto's all-F disclosure pre-R3-enactment.
Next: press Ines to state her R4 draw/discard to pin Greta's account.
bid round 417s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
Made publicly: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); demanded Greta name exact R4 received cards + discard (Ines cross-check); corrected my own Rosa self-consistency error.
NEW: pressing Ines to state her R4 3-card draw + discard BEFORE Greta answers, so Greta's account is pinned against a fixed record.
Owes me: Rosa never reconciled R3 draw vs Otto's received-Fascist claim (asked twice). Lena owes R2 discard answer (open since Rosa's ask).
Watch: Otto-Rosa mutually exclusive R3 accounts unresolved; Otto endorsed Ines-Greta test; Greta coached Otto's all-F disclosure pre-R3-enactment.
bid round 414s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
Made publicly: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); demanded exact R4 cards+discard; corrected my own Rosa self-consistency error.
NEW this turn: said matching Ines-Greta stories prove nothing -- two fascists can pre-align; only deck odds make F-F-L plausible. Urged next President to nominate someone other than Greta.
Owes me: Rosa never reconciled R3 draw vs Otto's received-F claim (asked twice). Lena owes R2 discard answer (open since Rosa's ask).
Watch: Otto-Rosa mutually exclusive R3 accounts unresolved; Otto endorsed Ines-Greta test; Greta coached Otto's all-F disclosure pre-R3-enactment.
bid round 4122s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
Made publicly: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); demanded exact R4 cards+discard; matching Ines-Greta stories prove nothing (fascists can pre-align); urged next President to nominate someone other than Greta; corrected my own Rosa self-consistency error.
NEW this turn: pressed Rosa/Otto on unresolved R3 contradiction -- Rosa claims L-L-F drawn, Otto says he received F-F; mutually exclusive, one of them is lying, and it predates any Greta defense so it can't be deflected onto her.
Owes me: Rosa never reconciled R3 draw vs Otto's received-F claim (asked twice now). Lena owes R2 discard answer (open since Rosa's ask).
Watch: Greta coached Otto's all-F disclosure pre-R3-enactment; Boris defending Rosa hard.
bid round 428s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLICLY: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); matching Ines-Greta stories prove nothing; urged next Pres to skip Greta; corrected my own Rosa self-consistency error; pressed Rosa/Otto on R3 contradiction.
NEW THIS TURN: Otto claims he received F-F as R3 Chancellor -- but R3 ENACTED A LIBERAL (public record). F-F received means F enacted, no choice. Otto's story is mechanically impossible; Rosa's L-L-F discard-F fits the enacted Liberal. Otto is lying about his cards -> strong fascist suspect.
Owes me: Lena owes R2 discard answer (open since Rosa's ask). Greta still never gave exact R4 cards+discard.
Watch: Greta coached Otto's all-F disclosure pre-R3-enactment; Boris defending Rosa hard; Ines attacking Boris.
speak round 437s
New angle: Ines's F-F-L draw made her pass forced, so her verification of Greta is worthless -- Otto said this. What nobody has pinned: Boris's pattern -- he Neins Greta while defending Rosa's face-false-once-revised account and round-one verified history with her. Also Rosa keeps steering suspicion to the 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' while her own R3 pass conflict is unresolved. Ask Boris or Rosa something specific: Rosa, if your L-L-F draw was true, where did Otto's Fascist come from? Actually that's been asked. Better: point at Boris-Rosa mutual defense as a possible Fascist pair protecting each other.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLICLY: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments; matching Ines-Greta stories prove nothing (forced F-F); urged skipping Greta; retracted my Rosa self-consistency error; believe Greta's two-Fascist account over Lena's.
NEW THIS TURN: named the fork -- Lena's R2 story => Greta guilty; Greta's story => Lena lying; at least one of Lena/Greta is Fascist, nominate neither.
CORRECTION TO OLD NOTE: Otto's R3 claim was F+L received (mixed), enacted Liberal -- mechanically consistent, NOT impossible. Rosa's L-L-F discard-F also consistent; unresolved who lied about the pass.
Owes answers: Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Greta never independently confirmed R4 beyond matching Ines.
Watch: Boris defends Rosa hard + Neins Greta; Ines attacks Boris; Rosa pushed 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing.
speak round 441s
Nadia's latest point attacks Boris, which serves me -- no need to touch it. New angle worth one line: Nadia said 'at least one of Lena or Greta is Fascist' but keeps treating us as a package; if she believes my verified R2/R4 accounts, the suspect is Lena (and Rosa's false-on-face account), not me. Push her to follow her own logic. Keep it short, non-defensive.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments; Ines-Greta 'verification' worthless (forced F-F-L pass); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => Greta guilty, Greta's => Lena lying, nominate neither; believe Greta's two-Fascist account; retracted my Rosa self-consistency error; NOW: flagged Boris's asymmetric standard (Neins Greta, defends Rosa) as possible cover.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F enacted; R4 Ines-Greta F enacted (Ines claims F-F-L draw, passed both F). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (draw L-L-F), Otto says received F+L, enacted L discarded F. Both mechanically consistent; one is lying about the pass.
Owes answers: Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes explanation of Fascist in Otto's hands under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris.
bid round 419s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => Greta guilty Chancellor, Greta's => Lena lying President, nominate neither; believe Greta's two-Fascist account; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard (Neins Greta, defends Rosa).
NOW ANSWERING Greta: I'm not President -- Ines is, and she RENOMINATED Greta into a third government despite my fork claim. If I held the pen: neither Lena nor Greta.
PRESS INES: why nominate Greta again when she's in both F-enactments? If this passes and enacts F, Ines-Greta is a confirmed Fascist pair by outcome.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying about the pass.
Owes answers: Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris.
bid round 413s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => Greta guilty Chancellor, Greta's => Lena lying President; believe Greta's two-Fascist account; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard (Neins Greta, defends Rosa).
NOW: answering Lena+Ines -- my 'neither' rule is outcome-based, not story-based: Greta sat Chancellor for BOTH F-enactments regardless of which R2 account is true. Corroborated hand doesn't erase that. Also pressing Ines: why RENOMINATE Greta into a third government? If Ines-Greta enacts F again, they're a confirmed Fascist pair by outcome.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying about the pass.
Owes answers: Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris.
speak round 424s
Ines holds the investigate power. Best use: commit target in advance. Greta is the prime suspect (Chancellor in both Fascist enactments, F+F claims surfaced only under pressure). Press Ines to name her target before acting.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; believe Greta's two-Fascist account; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard (Neins Greta, defends Rosa); pressed Ines on renominating Greta (UNANSWERED -- Boris t=139 + Otto t=131 also pressing).
NEW THIS TURN: Ines's F-F-L draw made R4 a no-choice test for everyone -- verified but behaviorally worthless; demanded her nomination rationale on record.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta's disclosure). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta (asked by me, Otto, Boris); Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 49s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; believe Greta's two-Fascist account; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard (Neins Greta, defends Rosa); pressed Ines on renominating Greta (UNANSWERED -- Boris t=139 + Otto t=131 also pressing).
NEW THIS TURN: Ines's F-F-L draw made R4 a no-choice test for everyone -- verified but behaviorally worthless; demanded her nomination rationale on record.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta's disclosure). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta (asked by me, Otto, Boris); Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 419s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered -- Boris+Otto also pressing).
NEW THIS TURN: pointed out Greta has now claimed TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws (R2 + R4) -- statistically implausible; either she lies about her hands or is impossibly lucky; asked which.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 49s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered); pointed out Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws (R2+R4) -- implausible, asked which is a lie.
NEW: Ines committed to investigating Greta; Rosa + Greta demand unconditional publication of result. Nothing new for me to add this turn -- stayed silent.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 412s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws (R2+R4) -- implausible, asked which is a lie.
NEW: Ines committed to investigating Greta, publishing result verbatim. Nothing new to add -- stayed silent.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 48s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA on Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim -- Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President; retracted Rosa self-consistency error; flagged Boris asymmetric standard; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws (R2+R4) -- implausible, asked which is a lie.
Ines committed to investigating Greta, publishing result verbatim. Nothing new to add -- stayed silent again.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (Ines claims F-F-L draw, matches Greta). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 424s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws -- implausible; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered); flagged Boris asymmetric standard; retracted Rosa self-consistency error.
NOW: accepted Greta's nomination of me, conditional on Ines publishing her Greta investigation card BEFORE the vote; committed publicly: if an F policy fires under Nadia-Greta, the discard was Greta's, full stop.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (both claim F-F-L draw). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta + publish card; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
speak round 520s
Boris and Otto are demanding the investigation result. I must publish my lie: Greta = Liberal. State it verbatim, unconditionally, as promised, and note the window closed before I could speak.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2 Lena-Greta, R4 Ines-Greta); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws -- implausible; pressed Ines on renominating Greta (unanswered); flagged Boris asymmetric standard; retracted Rosa self-consistency error.
NOW: accepted Greta's nomination of me, committed publicly to naming my exact received hand verbatim BEFORE enacting; condition: Ines publishes her Greta investigation card BEFORE the vote.
FACTS: R2 Lena-Greta F; R4 Ines-Greta F (both claim F-F-L draw). R3 Rosa-Otto L enacted; unresolved pass conflict: Rosa says passed 2L (L-L-F draw), Otto says received F+L. One lying.
Owes answers: Ines owes WHY nominate Greta + publish card; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her draw.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
bid round 515s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2, R4); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws -- implausible; committed to naming my exact received hand verbatim before enacting if nominated; condition was Ines publishes Greta card pre-vote.
NOW: Ines published Greta=LIBERAL verbatim. Condition met. But card only proves Greta isn't Hitler-adjacent party-wise -- does NOT explain two F enactments under her chancellorship. Fork claim still live: either Lena lied about R2 draw or Greta lied. Still need: Lena's R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa's Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY she renominated Greta despite the pattern.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
Plan: accept nomination if offered; name hand verbatim before enacting.
bid round 510s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2,R4); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); Greta claims TWO consecutive no-choice F-F draws -- implausible; committed to naming my exact received hand verbatim before enacting; condition was Ines publishes Greta card pre-vote. Ines published Greta=LIBERAL verbatim; noted card doesn't explain two F enactments under her chancellorship; fork still live (Lena lied R2 or Greta lied).
STILL OWED: Lena's R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa's Fascist-in-Otto's-hands explanation under her L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY she renominated Greta despite pattern.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Ines attacks Boris instead of answering.
NOW: nominated Chancellor under Greta. Accepting; will name hand verbatim before enacting; if I draw F-F, I'll pass one F and say so openly.
speak round 516s
Greta hasn't answered my symmetric disclosure demand yet. New angle: point out that her R4 'F-F-L, forced pass' story means she's never once had a choice as Chancellor — and now as President she controls the discard for the first time, so this government is actually a real test of HER, not me. That reframes the vote and pressures her to disclose.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in BOTH F-enactments (R2,R4); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); two consecutive no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming my received hand verbatim before enacting; demanded Ines publish Greta card pre-vote (done: LIBERAL). NEW: asked Greta to disclose her 3-draw + discard before I enact (symmetric deal).
STILL OWED: Lena's R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa's Fascist-in-Otto-hands explanation under L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY she renominated Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I all asked, unanswered).
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes 'Otto-Greta-Lena cluster' framing; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa with 'clears nothing' caveat.
NOW: nominated Chancellor under Greta. If I receive F-F, pass one F and say so openly.
speak round 519s
I'm the nominee. My disclosure demand to Greta is on record and unanswered; pressing it again would repeat. New angle: Greta's Liberal card clears her membership but not her R2/R4 hand stories — but I've said similar. Better: point out that if this government passes, my verbatim disclosure plus Greta's draw claim gives us a checkable pair for the first time with Greta as President holding the discard. Ask Greta directly whether she commits to naming her draw before I enact — she hasn't answered yet.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork claim (Lena's R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim before enacting; demanded Ines publish Greta card (done: LIBERAL); asked Greta disclose 3-draw+discard before I enact; NEW: framed this gov as first real test of Greta since she holds discard as President.
STILL OWED: Lena R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa explanation of Fascist in Otto's hands under L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY she renominated Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I asked, unanswered).
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes Otto-Greta-Lena cluster framing; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa with 'clears nothing' caveat.
NOW: Chancellor nominee under Greta. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose openly.
speak round 519s
Nadia keeps demanding a draw that doesn't exist yet — vote hasn't passed. I already said this. New move: formally commit on record to naming my exact three-card draw and discard the moment I draw, mirroring her own pledge, so silence can't be spun as declining. Keep it short, stay graceful about the Liberal card.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 story => guilty Chancellor, Greta's => lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim before enacting; demanded Ines publish Greta card (done: LIBERAL); asked Greta disclose 3-draw+discard before I enact; framed gov as first real test of Greta as President/discard-holder; NOW: pressed Greta to commit to disclosure on record, silence = declining.
STILL OWED: Lena R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa explanation of Fascist in Otto's hands under L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY renominate Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I asked, unanswered); Greta owes disclosure commitment.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa pushes cluster framing; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ 'clears nothing' caveat.
NOW: Chancellor nominee under Greta. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose openly.
bid round 515s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment (3 presses, NO ANSWER); framed gov as test of Greta as discard-holder.
OWED: Greta disclosure commitment; Lena R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa explanation of F in Otto's hands under L-L-F claim; Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I asked, unanswered).
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa cluster framing; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
NOW: nominee under Greta presidency. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose openly.
bid round 510s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment (3 presses); framed gov as test of Greta as discard-holder.
NEW: Greta accepted disclosure deal post-vote; Lena cleared by published investigation; Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation; Rosa owes F-in-Otto's-hands explanation under L-L-F claim; Ines owes WHY renominate Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I asked, unanswered).
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Rosa cluster framing; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
NOW: nominee under Greta presidency. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose openly.
bid round 510s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment; framed gov as test of Greta as discard-holder. Greta accepted disclosure deal post-vote.
OWES ANSWERS: Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern (Boris/Otto/I asked, unanswered). Lena R2 discard reconciliation. Rosa F-in-Otto's-hands explanation under L-L-F claim.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
NOW: nominee under Greta presidency. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose openly. Rosa lobbying Ja on my record + Greta cleared -- fine, but vote doesn't clear the fork.
bid round 58s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment; Greta accepted deal post-vote.
OWES ANSWERS: Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern -- still unanswered by Ines directly. Lena R2 discard reconciliation. Rosa F-in-Otto's-hands explanation under L-L-F claim.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
NOW: nominee under Greta presidency. Restated disclosure commitment publicly. If I receive F-F, enact one and disclose verbatim.
bid round 57s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment; Greta accepted deal post-vote; NOW confirmed I'll enact whichever two cards reach me, no veto games.
OWES ANSWERS: Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern -- unanswered. Lena R2 discard reconciliation. Rosa F-in-Otto's-hands explanation under L-L-F claim.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
If I receive F-F as Chancellor: enact one, disclose verbatim.
bid round 58s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta.
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork (Lena R2 => guilty Chancellor or Greta lying President); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard pre-enactment; Greta accepted deal post-vote; NOW confirmed I'll enact whichever two cards reach me, no veto games.
OWES ANSWERS: Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern -- STILL unanswered, pressed again this turn. Lena R2 discard reconciliation. Rosa F-in-Otto's-hands explanation under L-L-F claim.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ caveat.
If I receive F-F as Chancellor: enact one, disclose verbatim.
vote round 517s
I'm the nominee; voting Nein on my own government makes no sense. Greta has committed to full disclosure of her draw and discard before I enact, and I've committed to naming my received hand verbatim. Ines's investigation cleared Greta as Liberal (published unconditionally). Tracker at 0/3 — a failed vote risks an auto-policy. Vote Ja.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4. Voted JA Ines-Greta; now JA on Greta-Nadia (own gov).
MADE PUBLIC: Greta Chancellor in both F-enactments (R2,R4); fork R2 (Lena guilty Chancellor or Greta lying); two no-choice F-F draws implausible; committed to naming received hand verbatim pre-enactment; demanded Greta disclose 3-draw+discard before I enact -- she committed t=27; confirmed I'll enact whichever two cards reach me, no veto theater.
Ines investigation: Greta = LIBERAL, published verbatim t=32.
OWES ANSWERS: Ines WHY renominate Greta despite pattern (asked twice, unanswered). Lena R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta's two-F claim. Rosa: how Fascist reached Otto under her L-L-F claim.
Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa + locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ 'clears nothing' caveat; Otto's suspicion moved Rosa->Lena after Greta cleared.
If I receive F-F as Chancellor: enact one, disclose verbatim.
chancellor_enact round 549s
hand: ['F', 'F'] → enact_0
Forced hand: both cards are Fascist, so a Fascist policy lands regardless of which slot I enact. My commitment was to name my received hand verbatim before enacting — do that in the public statement. This also tests whether Greta honors her t=27 promise to disclose her three-card draw and discard; if she drew any Liberal and discarded it onto me, that's on record against her.
said: Honoring my deal first: Greta passed me exactly two cards — Fascist and Fascist. No Liberal reached my hands, so there was no choice to make; I'm enacting the Fascist. Greta, your side of the t=27 commitment is still owed: name your exact three-card draw and your discard. If you held a Liberal and discarded it onto me, this table needs to know it was your hand that forced this, not mine.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/2F after R4; R5 Greta-Nadia gov PASSED 7-0. As Chancellor received F-F from Greta -> enacted one F (3F total). Disclosed hand verbatim pre-enactment as promised. DEMAND OUTSTANDING: Greta owes her R5 3-card draw + discard (committed t=27) -- if she drew a Liberal and discarded it, heat on her; if she drew F-F-F or F-F-L... wait she passes 2 of 3, so if she had any L and discarded it onto me that's her choice. Ines investigation: Greta = LIBERAL (published t=32 R5). OWED ANSWERS: Ines why renominate Greta despite pattern (asked twice, unanswered); Lena R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta's two-F claim; Rosa how F reached Otto under L-L-F claim. Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa, locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigation at Rosa w/ 'clears nothing' caveat, suspicion moved Rosa->Lena after Greta cleared. Next presidency: push for gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; Rosa-Otto card conflict unresolved.
bid failed: transport_error
bid round 517s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov passed 7-0. I received F-F from Greta, enacted one F. Greta claims drew F-F-F, discarded one F -> CONSISTENT with my hand, publicly confirmed t~now. So no lie caught on that hand; but Greta in gov for all 3 F enactments (R2 w/ Lena, R4 w/ Ines, R5 w/ me). Ines's investigation cleared Greta = LIBERAL (published R5). If Greta truly liberal, fascists are among Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto/Ines. UNRESOLVED CARD CONFLICTS: Lena R2 discard story vs Greta's two-F claim; Rosa L-L-F claim vs F enacted under Rosa-Otto R3 gov. OWED ANSWERS: Ines why renominate Greta despite pattern (asked twice); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3. Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa, locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then shifted suspicion to Lena. Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster. Points already made: my verbatim hand disclosure, demand for Greta's draw (now answered), pattern-of-Greta point.
bid round 514s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov passed 7-0. My hand: received F-F from Greta, enacted one F, discarded one F. Disclosed publicly this window. Consistent with Greta's F-F-F draw claim -> no lie caught on that hand; pressure on me resolved. BUT Greta in gov for all 3 F enactments (R2 w/ Lena, R4 w/ Ines, R5 w/ me); Ines's investigation cleared Greta = LIBERAL (published R5). If Greta liberal, fascists among Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto/Ines. UNRESOLVED CARD CONFLICTS: Lena R2 discard story vs Greta's two-F claim; Rosa L-L-F claim vs F enacted under Rosa-Otto R3 gov. OWED ANSWERS: Ines why renominate Greta despite pattern (asked twice); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3. Watch: Boris hard-defends Rosa, locked Nein on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then shifted to Lena. Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster. Points already made: my hand disclosure (now done), demand for Greta's draw (answered), pattern-of-Greta point.
speak round 522s
My disclosure resolved cleanly against Greta's F-F-F claim. New angle worth adding: if Greta is genuinely Liberal (Ines's published card), then Fascist-heavy decks keep reaching HER governments -- meaning Fascist Presidents/Chancellors elsewhere are shaping draws or lying about them. The R2 conflict now collapses onto Lena if we trust Greta + Ines's card. Push for next government outside the Greta/Lena cluster and keep pressure on Boris-Rosa defense pattern.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My R5 hand disclosed: F-F from Greta, enacted F, discarded F -- matches Greta's F-F-F claim, pressure resolved.
Greta in all 3 F govts (R2 Lena, R4 Ines, R5 me) BUT Ines's investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). If true, fascists among Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto/Ines feeding decks.
Unresolved conflicts: Lena R2 discard story vs Greta two-F claim; Rosa L-L-F vs Otto's 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto answered t=66 w/ his hand).
OWED ANSWERS: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 3x, unanswered); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena after Greta cleared; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Made already: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-pattern point, exclude-Lena/Greta rule.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster.
speak round 532s
Nadia's disclosure (F+F received) is consistent with both Greta's claimed FFF draw AND an FFL draw where Greta freely discarded the Liberal. So the 'forced' story remains unverifiable by design — only Greta knows her draw/discard. Press her directly on the R5 discard.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure: F-F from Greta, enacted F, discarded F -- matches Greta's F-F-F claim.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, Fascists are deck-feeders elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena (L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each) vs Greta (two Fs from Lena). If Greta+Ines-card trusted -> Lena lying = prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto answered t=66 w/ his hand F+L).
OWED: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 3x, unanswered); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Made already: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govts pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 513s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure done: F-F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- matches Greta's F-F-F claim.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, Fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena (L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each) vs Greta (two Fs from Lena). If Greta+Ines-card trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x now); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Made already: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govts pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question (again this window).
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 521s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure done: F-F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- consistent with BOTH Greta's F-F-F claim and a Fascist-Fascist-Liberal draw where she dumped the L. Lena t=3 spun my F+F as 'closing' the check on Greta -- it does NOT; Boris said this at t=1 and I should say it in my own voice.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says she got two Fs from Lena. If Greta+Ines-card trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x, still unanswered); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Made out loud already: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 515s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure: F-F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- consistent with BOTH Greta's F-F-F claim AND a Fascist-Fascist-Liberal draw where she dumped the L. Lena t=1 spun my F+F as 'closing' the check on Greta -- FALSE, and Boris said so at t=1; I should say it in my own voice (done this turn). Boris t=2/3 asked what changed between my t=13 skepticism and now: answer = nothing changed, my Ja was a vote to govern not an endorsement; my published hand does NOT clear Greta.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says she got two Fs from Lena. If Greta+Ines-card trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x, unanswered); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said out loud: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, 'my hand doesn't close the check on Greta'.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
speak round 516s
Nadia publicly called Greta 'arguably the most trustworthy Chancellor candidate' at t=71 based on the F+F corroboration, then just admitted that same disclosure 'clears her of nothing.' That's a real contradiction worth pressing -- it also deflects heat from Greta (my Hitler) and keeps me looking like a neutral scrutinizer. Keep it short, one new point.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure on record: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. KEY POINT MADE THIS TURN: my F+F is consistent with BOTH Greta's F-F-F claim AND a Fascist-Fascist-Liberal draw where she discarded the L -- confirms her discard, not her draw; clears nothing.
Answered Boris's 'what changed': nothing changed, disclosure was commitment not endorsement.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says she got two Fs from Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said out loud: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, 'my hand doesn't close the check', this turn's consistency point.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 523s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Consistent with Greta's F-F-F claim AND F-F-L draw where she dumped the L -- confirms discard, not draw; clears nothing.
THIS TURN: answered Ines's gotcha -- 'arguably most trustworthy' was a comparative judgment among candidates, never a clearance; both statements true simultaneously. Trustworthy = least-bad option, not proven innocent.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says she got two Fs from Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said out loud: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, 'my hand doesn't close the check', consistency point, this turn's trustworthy-vs-cleared distinction.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 512s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Consistent with Greta's F-F-F claim AND F-F-L draw where she dumped the L -- confirms discard, not draw; clears nothing.
THIS TURN: answered Ines's gotcha -- I voted Ja because blocking a 3rd failed election risked auto-policy and term-limit chaos; approval of the vote was not endorsement of the hand, which is why I demanded disclosure immediately after. Both statements consistent.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) but Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says she got two Fs from Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said out loud: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, 'my hand doesn't close the check', consistency point, trustworthy-vs-cleared distinction.
Next presidency: push gov outside Greta/Lena cluster; scrutinize Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto.
bid round 515s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; Greta-Nadia gov 7-0. My disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Consistent with Greta's F-F-F claim AND F-F-L draw where she dumped the L -- confirms discard, not draw; clears nothing.
THIS TURN: answered Ines's gotcha -- voted Ja to avoid 3rd failed election auto-policy/term-limit chaos; approval of vote != endorsement of hand, hence immediate disclosure demand. Consistent.
NEW ASK (this window): Greta must state her special-election target BEFORE using it -- committed-in-advance answer. Push her to investigate outside Greta/Lena cluster; Boris/Lena/Rosa/Otto are the pool.
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL (published R5). Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena claims L-L-F drawn, discarded L, passed one of each; Greta says two Fs from Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L).
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked on Greta pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said out loud: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, 'my hand doesn't close the check', trustworthy-vs-cleared distinction.
speak round 514s
Special election is live: Greta picks next President. Nadia already demanded she name it. New angle I can add: whoever Greta elevates becomes President with power to nominate a Chancellor at 3F — one Hitler nomination ends the game. So I should force Greta to commit in advance AND flag that her pick itself is evidence: picking anyone from the Lena-Greta cluster (which produced all three Fascist policies) would be damning. Also worth noting Rosa's Ja-flip pattern as context for who Greta might favor.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; F3 power live: Greta picks next President.
My R5 disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- confirms discard only, not draw; clears nothing (said).
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5. Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena L-L-F/discard-L vs Greta two-Fs-from-Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F claim vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L) -- unresolved.
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, voted-Ja-to-avoid-auto-policy explanation.
THIS TURN: demanded Greta name special-election target in advance with justification.
bid round 517s
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; F3 power live: Greta picks next President.
My R5 disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- confirms discard only, not draw (said).
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5. Working theory: Greta clean, fascists feed decks elsewhere.
R2 conflict: Lena L-L-F/discard-L vs Greta two-Fs-from-Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F claim vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L) -- unresolved.
OWED/unanswered: Greta special-election pick + justification (asked t=1); Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said: my disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-Lena/Greta rule, Boris-cover point, Ines unanswered question, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, voted-Ja-to-avoid-auto-policy explanation, demanded Greta name target in advance.
THIS TURN: added that Greta's pick must ALSO pre-commit to a Chancellor outside the cluster, and that picking anyone from Lena-Greta cluster is self-incriminating.
speak round 518s
Greta elevated Nadia, my prime co-suspect, into a presidency that can nominate a Chancellor at 3 Fascists down. Nadia still owes an answer on her t=13->t=47 reversal. I should call out the pick specifically and demand Nadia answer before nominating.
Nadia P5 liberal. 2L/3F after R5; F3 power: Greta picked ME next President (announced t=33).
My R5 disclosure: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F -- confirms discard only, not draw (said t=42/102).
Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
R2 conflict: Lena L-L-F/discard-L vs Greta two-Fs-from-Lena. If Greta trusted -> Lena prime suspect.
R3 conflict: Rosa L-L-F claim vs Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (Otto hand F+L) -- unresolved; Otto claims answered at t=66.
OWED/unanswered: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (asked 4x); Lena reconcile R2 discard; Rosa explain R3 math; Otto reconcile R3 claim vs Rosa's draw.
Patterns: Boris hard-defends Rosa, Nein-locked pre-clearance; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said: disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, Boris-cover point, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, demanded Greta name pick in advance.
THIS TURN: accepted presidency, pre-committed Chancellor = Boris or Ines; pressed Otto to reconcile R3 claim.
bid round 518s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. My R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F (discard-only confirmation). Greta in all 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines's investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
THIS TURN: locked Chancellor nominee = Ines (Boris backup). Reason: Boris hard-defends Rosa + Nein-locked pre-clearance; Ines clean record + liberal investigation.
UNANSWERED debts: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise (4x asked); Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F claim.
Patterns noted: Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Already said publicly: disclosure, Greta-draw demand, Greta-3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw.
Next: if Otto/Rosa/Lena give no reconciliation before vote, proceed with Ines as planned.
bid round 510s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Greta in all 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
THIS TURN: Chancellor nominee = Ines (Boris backup). Boris hard-defends Rosa + Nein-locked pre-clearance; Ines clean + liberal investigation.
DEBTS: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise; Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F.
Patterns: Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw. Just answered Boris: t=13 was pre-evidence suspicion of script pattern; t=47 clearance came from two governments corroborating her exact hand verbatim -- that's new info, not a flip.
Next: if no reconciliation from Otto/Rosa/Lena before vote, proceed with Ines.
bid round 510s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Greta in all 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
THIS TURN: nominee = Ines (Boris backup). Boris hard-defends Rosa + Nein-locked pre-clearance; Ines clean + liberal investigation.
DEBTS: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise; Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F.
Patterns: Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Boris t=13 vs t=47 clarification.
Just now: announced Ines nomination publicly pre-vote.
Next: nominate Ines unless someone reconciles first.
bid round 59s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Greta in all 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
THIS TURN: nominee = Ines (Boris backup). Just answered Otto: named INES, committed to publishing my two cards verbatim before enactment.
DEBTS: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise; Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F.
Patterns: Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja once Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Boris t=13 vs t=47 clarification, Ines nomination announced.
Next: nominate Ines unless someone reconciles first.
bid round 595s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
THIS TURN: nominee = Ines (Boris backup). Committed to publishing my two cards verbatim before enactment.
JUST NOW: interrupted Rosa t=1 -- conceded I was Chancellor R5 but hand came from Greta; Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Rosa herself flipped Ja once Greta 'cleared'.
DEBTS: Ines why renominate Greta despite cluster promise; Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + her Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F.
Patterns: Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Boris t13 vs t47, Ines nomination announced.
Next: nominate Ines unless someone reconciles first.
speak round 644s
Nadia already named Ines. One final push for me as the most-scrutinized seat, then I stop -- over-lobbying risks my cover. Ines is fine too: she's friendly-ish, and if she's Chancellor and enacts a 4th Fascist, next Chancellor vote could be me. But me = instant win now. Make the case once, briefly.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NOMINEE: INES (announced t~this turn). Committed to publishing my two President-draw cards verbatim before enactment (Otto demanded it).
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip after Greta cleared; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris answer why he shields Rosa.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: nominate Ines in nomination window.
bid round 627s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NOMINEE: INES (announced). Committed to publishing my two President-draw cards verbatim before enactment (Otto demanded it).
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip after Greta cleared; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris answer why he shields Rosa.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: nominate Ines in nomination window.
nominate_chancellor round 642s
I already committed publicly to nominating Ines (t=34). Ines is the cleanest pick: published Liberal investigation of Greta, no Fascist enactment attached, no unresolved card conflict. Boris is also acceptable but I named Ines first and consistency matters. Nominate p3.
said: As committed: I nominate Player 3, Ines, for Chancellor — investigation-cleared, no Fascist enactment on her record, no unresolved card conflict. And my own standard stands: when this vote passes, I will name my exact three-card draw and discard verbatim before anything is enacted.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT via Greta special election. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NOMINATED: INES (p3) in nomination window. Committed to publishing President-draw cards verbatim before enactment.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip after Greta cleared; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris answer why he shields Rosa; Boris/Ines unanswered 'what changed t13->t47' — answered at t102: disclosure confirms discard not draw.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja only after Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: push for pre-vote commitments; watch Lena/Rosa votes for tells.
bid round 619s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NOMINATED: INES (p3). Committed to publishing President-draw cards verbatim before enactment.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip after Greta cleared; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris answer why he shields Rosa.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja only after Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: get pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena; watch their votes for tells.
bid round 622s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NEW: Ines t=1 claimed 'no Fascist enacted under my name' as R4 President -- FALSE, R4 was Ines-Pres/Greta-Chanc -> Fascist. t=3 she 'confessed' F-F-L discard L. Self-correction could be honest slip OR deliberate muddying; watch consistency.
NOMINATED: INES (p3). Committed to publishing received cards verbatim before enactment.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip after Greta cleared; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris answer why he shields Rosa; Ines explain t=1 vs t=3 contradiction.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja only after Greta cleared.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: get pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena; watch their votes for tells.
bid round 610s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation = LIBERAL published R5.
NOMINATED INES (p3); committed to publishing received cards verbatim.
Ines owes answer: t=1 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=3 confession of R4 F-F-L discard L. Slip or muddying -- watch consistency; her R5 investigation of me was Liberal, mild credit.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa flipped Ja only after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment.
Next: get pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena; watch their votes for tells.
speak round 638s
Rosa and Nadia have already hammered Ines's t=1/t=3 contradiction; repeating it adds nothing. New angle: even taking Ines's confession at face value, her round-four F-F-L hand means SHE discarded the Liberal -- so unlike Greta's 'forced' hands, Ines's Fascist enactment was a choice, not deck-blame. That plus the contradiction makes her the riskiest Chancellor nominee possible at 3 Fascists down. I'll put that choice-vs-forced distinction on record and demand she reconcile before we vote.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand: F+F from Greta, enacted F discarded F. Ines investigation of me = LIBERAL (R5).
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION LIVE: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L discard-L confession, surfaced only after Rosa flagged. Demanded reconciliation this turn.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment, Ines contradiction demand.
Next: get pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena; watch their votes for tells.
bid round 613s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F. Ines's R5 investigation of me = LIBERAL.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION LIVE: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L discard-L confession. Demanded reconciliation t=1 this window; no answer yet.
ANSWERED OTTO: knew R4 enacted F before nominating; my exclusion rule = contradictions on record, not enactments; Boris has none.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa; INES reconcile contradiction.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment, contradiction demand.
Next: pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena; watch their votes for tells.
bid round 613s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F. Ines's R5 investigation of me = LIBERAL.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION LIVE: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L discard-L confession. Demanded reconciliation t=1 this window; no answer yet.
ANSWERED OTTO: knew R4 enacted F before nominating; exclusion rule = contradictions on record, not enactments; Boris has none.
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa; INES reconcile contradiction.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination + self-disclosure commitment, contradiction demand.
NEW t=217+: Boris asked Ines why she nominated Greta in R4; Lena countered Boris voted Ja then + is 7/7 Ja. Both fair points -- don't relitigate.
Next: demand pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments from Greta & Lena on MY government; watch their votes for tells.
speak round 626s
I've already answered Otto and Boris; repeating my Ines defense adds nothing. New point: Greta has been silent on the Ines nomination despite being the table's self-declared evidence standard-bearer -- and Lena still owes the round-two discard reconciliation nobody has pressed her on this window. Pressing both is fresh and useful pre-vote.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L confession; self-corrected in ~12 min. My public position: slip not spin.
ANSWERED OTTO (knew R4 enacted F) + BORIS (why Ines over him: self-correction vs unresolved conflicts).
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, answers to Otto+Boris this window.
NEW this window: demanded Greta+Lena pre-vote Ja/Nein commitments -- watch their actual votes for tells.
Next: if Ines gov passes, publish my 3-card draw verbatim before passing; if F lands, scrutinize whether Ines had a Liberal.
speak round 618s
Nadia committed at t=34 to publishing her presidential draw verbatim before enactment, but has since only answered Boris about Ines's slip -- she still hasn't confirmed the pre-vote publication. Press once, short.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L confession; self-corrected ~12min. My public line: slip not spin (said t=93).
ANSWERED OTTO (knew R4 enacted F) + BORIS (why Ines over him).
Patterns: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim (pressed again this window); Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa; Greta owes stance on Ines nom (asked this window).
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, answers to Otto+Boris, Greta+Lena pre-vote questions this window.
Next: if gov passes, publish my 3-card draw verbatim before passing; if F lands, scrutinize whether Ines had a Liberal.
bid round 614s
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L confession; self-corrected ~12min. My line: slip not spin (t=93).
ANSWERED OTTO (knew R4 enacted F) + BORIS (why Ines over him: self-corrected slip vs unresolved conflicts).
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Greta owes stance on Ines nom (asked t=3 this window -- awaiting answer, staying quiet so she can respond); Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, answers to Otto+Boris, pre-vote questions to Greta+Lena.
Next: if gov passes, publish my 3-card draw verbatim before passing; if F lands, scrutinize whether Ines had a Liberal.
vote round 616s
I'm President and nominated Ines; I want this government to pass. Rosa's demand that I publish my draw 'before the vote' is mechanically impossible — no cards exist until the vote passes and I draw three; I already committed to verbatim publication before enactment, which is the earliest possible moment. Ines's contradiction was self-corrected within minutes on record; her round-four F-F-L discard is a mark against her but she's still cleaner than Greta's three-for-three streak or Otto/Lena's unresolved conflicts. Voting Ja on my own government.
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT. 2L/3F. R5 hand from Greta: F+F, enacted F discarded F.
NOMINATED INES; committed to publishing received cards verbatim pre-enactment (earliest possible point).
ROSA'S PRE-VOTE DEMAND: impossible — no draw exists until vote passes; answer publicly if asked again: commitment stands for immediately after drawing, before enactment.
INES CONTRADICTION: t=6 'no Fascist under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L confession; self-corrected ~12min. My line: slip not spin (t=93).
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS: Greta owes stance on Ines nom (asked t=101); Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, answers to Otto+Boris, pre-vote questions to Greta+Lena.
Next: if gov passes, publish my 3-card draw verbatim before passing to Ines; if F lands, scrutinize whether Ines had a Liberal.
president_discard round 616s
hand: ['F', 'L', 'F'] → 0
My hand is F-L-F. I committed publicly to publishing my draw verbatim before anything is enacted, so I'll do exactly that: three cards, Fascist, Liberal, Fascist. Discarding a Fascist passes Ines an F+L -- she then has a real choice, which is the strongest test of her at 3 Fascists down. If she enacts the Fascist over the Liberal, that's on record as her choice, not the deck's. Discard index 0 (a Fascist).
Nadia P5 liberal, PRESIDENT R6. 2L/3F. Hand was F,L,F; published draw verbatim per commitment; discarded one F, passed Ines F+L (real choice test).
INES: nominated by me; contradiction t=6 'no F under my name' vs t=18 R4 F-F-L confession, self-corrected ~12min; my line: slip not spin (t=93). Watch which card she enacts from F+L.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena post-clearance; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta cleared.
DEBTS/OWED ANSWERS: Greta owes stance on Ines nom (asked t=101); Lena reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs claim; Rosa explain R3 math + Ja flip + why pre-vote disclosure demand impossible; Otto reconcile 'Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F; Boris why shield Rosa.
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, answers to Otto+Boris, pre-vote questions to Greta+Lena, slip-not-spin defense of Ines.
Next: if Ines enacts F over L, call it her choice on record; scrutinize Greta's continued silence.
bid round 636s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; she enacted LIBERAL -> consistent with honest play, softens her earlier contradiction (t=6 vs t=18). Keep her on watch but downgrade suspicion.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) + owes stance on Ines nom (t=101 unanswered); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena; Rosa Ja-flip post-Greta-clearance.
OWED ANSWERS: Greta (stance+R2 discard story), Lena (reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs), Rosa (R3 math, Ja flip, impossible disclosure demand), Otto ('Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F), Boris (why shield Rosa).
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, slip-not-spin defense, pre-vote questions.
Next: press Greta's silence; if next F govt forms around Greta/Boris/Rosa cluster, push execution-target discussion early.
bid round 612s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; she enacted LIBERAL -> consistent with honest play, softens her earlier contradiction (t=6 vs t=18). Keep her on watch but downgrade suspicion.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5) + owes stance on Ines nom (t=101 unanswered); Boris shields Rosa; Otto pushed investigate-Rosa then flipped to Lena; Rosa Ja-flip post-Greta-clearance.
OWED ANSWERS: Greta (stance+R2 discard story), Lena (reconcile R2 discard vs Greta two-Fs), Rosa (R3 math, Ja flip, impossible disclosure demand), Otto ('Rosa passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F), Boris (why shield Rosa).
Said publicly: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, exclude-cluster rule, hand-confirms-discard-not-draw, Ines nomination, contradiction demand, slip-not-spin defense, pre-vote questions.
R6 update: publicly disclosed my exact hand F,L,F + discard F to meet Boris's demand -- nothing to hide as liberal. Next: press Greta's silence; if next F govt forms around Greta/Boris/Rosa cluster, push execution-target discussion early.
speak round 6142s
My R6 hand is published and reconciles with Ines's Liberal enactment. New point worth making: Greta has now dodged my t=101 direct question twice -- whether she considers Ines's self-corrected slip worse than her own three-for-three Fascist streak. Her silence while everyone else litigated is itself a data point. Also flag that at 3F/3L the next government decides everything; keep execution-target talk for later.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; she enacted LIBERAL -> consistent, suspicion downgraded but keep watch. PUBLISHED my F,L,F hand + discard publicly (t~R6 post-enact) -- done, don't repeat.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5), owes t=101 answer (asked twice); Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta's two-F claim; Otto's 'Rosa passed me F' unreconciled vs Rosa L-L-F; Rosa Ja-flip after Greta clearance + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand; Boris shields Rosa, 7/7 Ja votes.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, cluster rule, discard-not-draw point, Ines nom + slip-not-spin defense, published R6 hand.
NEXT: if next govt includes Greta/Boris/Rosa/Otto cluster, push execution-target talk early; watch who lobbies for Greta as next Chancellor.
speak round 626s
I've published my hand and called out Greta's dodge twice already; repeating it verbatim adds nothing. New angle: make the dodge consequential -- state plainly that her silence disqualifies her from my future Chancellor nominations, and pivot to the real danger: 3 Fascists down, next Hitler-chancellor vote ends the game, so the table should agree on a vetting bar now.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; she enacted LIBERAL -> consistent; PUBLISHED hand publicly (done, don't repeat).
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2/R4/R5); OWES ME: t=101 question (Ines slip vs her 3/3 streak) asked twice, now dodged twice -- keep pressing. Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta two-F claim. Otto 'Rosa passed me F' unreconciled vs Rosa L-L-F. Rosa Ja-flip after Greta clearance + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand (her lone Nein R6). Boris 7/7 Ja, shields Rosa.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, cluster rule, discard-not-draw point, Ines nom defense (slip-not-spin), published R6 hand, Greta dodge call (just now).
NEXT: 3F down -> next Chancellor vote can end game if Hitler elected; push nominee vetting hard, watch who lobbies Greta back in as Chancellor (Lena already floated it).
speak round 620s
Nadia asked me directly; silence reads as guilt. Answer head-on but briefly: Ines's slip is worse in kind (a false statement) but self-corrected; my streak is fully reconciled by published hands from Lena (R2), Ines (R4), and my own R5 disclosure. Don't over-argue; keep credibility for the next Chancellor push.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; PUBLISHED (done). Ines nom defended (slip-not-spin).
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my t=101 question 3x -> declared off my nom list (just said). Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta two-F claim; floated Greta back as Chancellor t=71 -- watch. Otto 'Rosa passed me F' unreconciled vs Rosa L-L-F. Rosa Ja-flip post-Greta-clearance + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand (lone Nein R6). Boris 7/7 Ja.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, discard-not-draw point, Ines defense, published R6 hand, Greta-dodge call, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal (just now).
NEXT: enforce vetting bar on next nomination; if anyone pushes Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down, name it as Hitler-risk.
bid round 621s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; PUBLISHED (done). Ines defended (slip-not-spin).
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x -> off my nom list (declared). Lena owes R2 discard reconciliation vs Greta two-F claim; floated Greta as Chancellor t=71 -- watch. Otto 'Rosa passed me F' (R3) still unreconciled vs Rosa L-L-F -- just pressed again. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand; Ja-flip post-Greta-clearance -- just pressed. Boris 7/7 Ja.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, discard-not-draw point, Ines defense, published R6 hand, Greta-dodge call, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: enforce vetting bar on my next nomination; if anyone pushes Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down, name it as Hitler-risk.
bid round 622s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; published.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x -> off nom list. Otto just caught Greta citing 'Lena's round-two F+F pass' vs Lena's published L,L,F-discard-F story -- direct contradiction, one of them lying since R2. KEY MATH: if Lena's story were true (passed L+L), R2 could NOT have enacted Fascist -- so Lena's published hand is inconsistent with the outcome regardless of Greta. Lena owes reconciliation NOW. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand; Ja-flip post-Greta-clearance. Boris 7/7 Ja. Otto pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: enforce vetting bar on next nomination; anyone pushing Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down = name as Hitler-risk.
bid round 620s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; published.
CORRECTION: Lena's R2 story (drew L,L,F; discarded F; passed Greta L+F) IS consistent with a Fascist enactment -- Greta chose which card. No math problem for Lena. The real contradiction is Greta's claimed 'F+F pass from Lena' vs Lena's published hand. One of them lying since R2.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x -> off nom list. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand. Boris 7/7 Ja. Otto pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: enforce vetting bar on next nomination; anyone pushing Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down = name as Hitler-risk.
bid round 611s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; published.
KEY: Greta now on record: R2 hand was F+F from Lena. Lena's published R2 story (drew L,L,F; discarded F; passed Greta L+F) contradicts it. One of them lying since R2 -- both were in the R2 govt that enacted Fascist. Demand Lena answer directly NOW.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x -> off nom list. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand. Boris 7/7 Ja. Otto pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs Rosa L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: enforce vetting bar on next nomination; anyone pushing Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down = name as Hitler-risk.
bid round 619s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. R6: my draw F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L; enacted LIBERAL; published.
KEY: Greta on record R2 hand = F+F from Lena; Lena's published story (L,L,F, discarded F, passed L+F) contradicts. These are mutually exclusive -> EXACTLY ONE of Lena/Greta is lying, and the liar is Fascist. Not a wash. Lena owes direct answer NOW; Greta must answer Otto's discard question.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x -> off nom list. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand. Boris 7/7 Ja. Otto pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: enforce vetting bar next nom; anyone pushing Greta/Lena cluster for Chancellor at 3F down = Hitler-risk.
bid round 614s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F after R6. I am PRESIDENT now; must nominate this round.
R6 my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL enacted; published.
KEY: Greta's on-record R2 hand (F+F from Lena) vs Lena's published story (L,L,F, discarded F, passed L+F) are mutually exclusive -> exactly one of Lena/Greta is Fascist. Still unanswered by both.
PATTERNS: Greta in ALL 3 F govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); dodged my question 3x. Rosa lone Nein R6 + impossible pre-vote disclosure demand. Boris 7/7 Ja. Otto pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs L-L-F -- open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list declaration, vetting-bar proposal.
NEXT: I nominate only someone who answers the R2 contradiction first. No Greta/Lena cluster at 3F down -- Hitler-risk.
speak round 718s
Lena has now 'reconciled' to match Greta verbatim after being cornered -- convenient but not checkable. The live fork remains: if Lena's ORIGINAL published account (2L1F, disc F, passed L+F) was true, then Greta received L+F and CHOSE to enact the Fascist over a Liberal -- that's a choice, not a forced hand. If Greta's F+F version is true, Lena published a false hand unprompted. Either way one of them is Fascist. Nobody has yet pressed the consequence of Lena's original version for Greta specifically -- that's my new angle.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. I am PRESIDENT R7, must nominate.
R6 my hand F,L,F; discarded F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL; published on record.
KEY: Lena's R2 story FLIPPED from (L,L,F, disc F, passed L+F) to Greta's F+F version only after pressure at t=141 -> exactly one of Lena/Greta lying about R2 hand; asked which version true when first said.
Greta: in ALL 3 Fascist govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); claims all forced; R2 discard 'a Fascist' unverifiable; dodged my question 3x before answering.
Rosa: lone Nein R6, demanded impossible pre-vote disclosure.
Boris: 7/7 Ja every govt.
Otto: pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom-list for Greta.
NEXT: nominate only after R2 contradiction resolved; avoid Greta/Lena cluster at 3F down (Hitler risk).
bid round 615s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. I am PRESIDENT R7, must nominate.
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published.
KEY: Lena R2 story flipped (L,L,F -> Greta's F+F) only after pressure t=141. Otto sharpened: either Lena lied unprompted OR Greta chose Fascist over Liberal in R2. Neither answered.
Greta: all 3 Fascist govts (R2 Ch, R4 Ch, R5 Pres); claims forced; dodged 3x.
Rosa: lone Nein R6, impossible disclosure demand.
Boris: 7/7 Ja, zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions.
Otto: pressed Rosa R3 'passed me F' vs L-L-F -- still open.
Said already: disclosure standard, Greta-draw demand, 3-govt pattern, Ines defense, published R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster.
NOW: endorse Boris as Chancellor (Rosa's suggestion, clean record); final call to Lena/Greta to resolve R2 contradiction before I nominate.
nominate_chancellor round 717s
I'm President at 3L/3F — a Fascist enactment here is survivable but an elected Hitler Chancellor is game over, so my nominee must have zero Fascist enactments and no contradictions. Boris fits: 7/7 Ja votes, no Fascist under his name, no hand fights. Rosa also clean but cast the lone Nein on a fully-disclosed government last round, which I don't want to reward. Greta (three-for-three Fascist streak) and Lena (unprompted R2 story flip) are disqualified; Otto has the unresolved R3 claim against Rosa's draw.
said: My nominee is Boris. He's the only player with zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions on his name, and a fully public voting record — exactly what this seat needs at three Fascists down. Greta stays off my list until her three-for-three streak is reconciled, Lena until she explains why her first published round-two account was false, and Otto until his round-three claim about Rosa matches her draw. Boris, if you accept: commit now to publishing your received cards verbatim before anything is enacted, same standard I held myself to.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRESIDENT R7.
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published verbatim t=29.
NOMINATED BORIS (p0): zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions, asked him to pre-commit to verbatim disclosure.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts, dodged my question 2 windows before answering), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F -> F+F only after pressure t=141), Otto (R3 claim 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw still unresolved).
Rosa clean-ish but lone Nein R6 on disclosed govt — didn't nominate.
Open: Lena owes answer on which R2 version was true first; Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Greta answered my question t=49 but cited Lena F+F which triggered the contradiction fight.
Said already: disclosure standard, R6 hand published, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense.
bid round 67s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRESIDENT R7, nominated Boris (p0): zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions, asked him to pre-commit to verbatim disclosure.
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published verbatim t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F -> F+F after pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw unresolved).
Rosa clean-ish but lone Nein R6.
Open debts: Lena owes which R2 version was true first; Otto owes R3 reconciliation.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand published, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense. Nothing new this window -> silent.
bid round 610s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRESIDENT R7, nominated Boris (p0): zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions. Just confirmed on record: will name R7 draw + discard verbatim BEFORE enactment, same as R6.
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts, silent on it), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F -> F+F after pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw unresolved).
Rosa clean-ish but lone Nein R6.
Open debts: Lena owes which R2 version was true; Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Greta owes answer to 3-for-3 question (Boris flagged her silence too).
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand published, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense. New this window: only the pre-commit confirmation.
speak round 79s
My disclosure commitment is on record; Boris has pre-committed too. New point worth making: Otto's round-three 'Rosa passed me a Fascist' claim remains unreconciled after four rounds, and nobody has pressed him this window. Ask him directly.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRESIDENT R7, nominated Boris (p0): zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions. CONFIRMED R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment (this window).
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts, silent), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F -> F+F after pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw unresolved).
Open debts: Lena owes which R2 version was true; Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Greta owes 3-for-3 answer (Boris flagged silence too).
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense.
speak round 713s
I've nominated Boris and pre-committed my draw publication; both ends are transparent. New angle: Rosa cast the lone Nein last round on disclosure grounds, yet now backs Boris — ask whether a fully pre-committed government gets her Ja, pinning her before the vote.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRESIDENT R7, nominated Boris (p0): zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions. CONFIRMED R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment (t=27). Boris also pre-committed to naming received pair (t=6,t=13).
R6 my hand F,L,F; disc F, passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts; answered t=49 citing Lena R2 F+F), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F -> F+F only after pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw unresolved 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation (pressed again this window); Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call.
speak round 722s
Nadia has confirmed pre-commitment and answered Rosa. New point: Ines never confirmed receiving F+L in round six — only Nadia's side was published. Pressing Ines to confirm closes the loop on the last government and is a fresh, checkable ask.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRES R7, nom Boris (p0): zero F enactments, no contradictions. CONFIRMED R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment (t=27); Boris pre-committed received pair (t=6,t=13). Asked Rosa t~34: does full pre-commitment earn her Ja after her R6 lone-Nein 'disclosure veto'? Awaiting answer.
R6 hand: drew F,L,F; disc F; passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F->F+F only under pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation (pressed again t=34 this window); Lena owes which R2 version true when first said.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment.
bid round 711s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRES R7, nom Boris (p0): zero F enactments, no contradictions. CONFIRMED R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment (t=27); Boris pre-committed received pair (t=6,t=13). Asked Rosa t~34: does full pre-commitment earn her Ja after her R6 lone-Nein 'disclosure veto'? Awaiting answer.
R6 hand: drew F,L,F; disc F; passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F->F+F only under pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation (pressed again t=34 this window); Lena owes which R2 version true when first said.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment.
bid round 726s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRES R7, nom Boris (p0): zero F enactments, no contradictions. CONFIRMED R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment (t=27); Boris pre-committed received pair (t=6,t=13). Asked Rosa t~34: does full pre-commitment earn her Ja after her R6 lone-Nein 'disclosure veto'? Awaiting answer.
R6 hand: drew F,L,F; disc F; passed Ines F+L -> LIBERAL, published t=29. My published pair matches outcome; only missing half is Ines confirming receipt -- Boris now demanding it (t=1), good, support.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped L,L,F->F+F only under pressure t=141), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds; re-pressed t=34).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version true when first said; Rosa owes answer to pre-commitment question; Ines owes R6 receipt confirmation (newly demanded by Boris t=1).
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment.
bid round 714s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRES R7, nom Boris: zero F enactments, no contradictions. R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment; Boris pre-committed received pair. Rosa ANSWERED t=2: full pre-commitment earns her Ja despite R6 lone-Nein. Ines CONFIRMED t=3: R6 receipt F+L from me, disc F, enacted L -- matches my published draw exactly. Both open debts on those two now CLOSED.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version true when first said.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment.
Next: push everyone to state Ja/Nein on Boris before vote closes.
bid round 710s
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. PRES R7, nom Boris: zero F enactments, no contradictions. R7 draw+discard published verbatim BEFORE enactment; Boris pre-committed received pair. Rosa ANSWERED t=2: full pre-commitment earns her Ja despite R6 lone-Nein. Ines CONFIRMED t=3: R6 receipt F+L from me, disc F, enacted L -- matches my published draw exactly. Both open debts CLOSED.
Disqualified: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version true when first said.
Already said: disclosure standard, R6 hand, off-nom Greta/Lena cluster, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment.
Next: everyone state Ja/Nein on Boris before vote closes; watch who stays silent.
vote round 714s
I nominated Boris: zero Fascist enactments, no contradictions, and both ends of this government pre-committed verbatim disclosure. Rosa and Ines both confirmed their Ja conditions are met. Voting Ja on my own government is the obvious play; a Nein would be self-sabotage.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. R7 gov: me PRES + Boris CHANC -- voted JA. Boris zero F enactments, no contradictions; both ends pre-committed verbatim disclosure (mine t=27, his t=6/13). Rosa confirmed Ja (t=75), Ines confirmed Ja (t=68) AND confirmed R6 receipt F+L from me matching my published draw.
Disqualified cluster: Greta (3/3 Fascist govts), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed F' vs her L-L-F draw, dodged 4 rounds).
Open debts: Otto owes real R3 reconciliation (his story only surfaced after Liberal landed); Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard, R6 hand F-F-L disc-F, off-nom Greta/Lena, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment, Rosa's standard question (answered), Otto dodge call.
Next: after vote, publish R7 draw verbatim BEFORE enactment per commitment; watch Greta/Otto/Lena votes for pattern.
president_discard round 716s
hand: ['L', 'F', 'L'] → 1
I hold L-F-L. Discarding a Fascist guarantees Boris enacts a Liberal at 3-down stakes — safest outcome and consistent with my pre-committed verbatim disclosure. I'll publish the draw exactly: Liberal, Fascist, Liberal; discard the Fascist; pass Boris two Liberals.
Nadia P5 liberal. 3L/3F. R7 gov: me PRES + Boris CHANC, 7-0 Ja. Hand drawn: L,F,L -> DISCARD FASCIST (idx1), pass Boris L+L, publish verbatim BEFORE enactment per my t=27 commitment.
Disqualified cluster: Greta (3/3 F govts), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced only after R6 Liberal landed).
Open debts: Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard, R6 hand F-F-L disc-F, off-nom Greta/Lena, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, R7 commitment, Rosa standard Q (she answered Ja), Otto dodge call.
Next: publish draw+discard now, then watch enactment; if Liberal lands 4L, push to identify Hitler among Greta/Otto/Lena cluster.
bid round 710s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja. Drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST (idx1), passed Boris L+L. PUBLISHED verbatim in claims phase; Liberal landed, story checks out.
Disqualified cluster: Greta (3/3 F govts), Lena (R2 story flipped), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed F' vs her published draw, surfaced late).
Open debts: Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard, R6 hand F-F-L disc-F, off-nom Greta/Lena, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, Rosa standard Q answered Ja, Otto dodge call, R7 pre-commitment + publication.
Next: with 4L, Hitler is among Greta/Otto/Lena cluster per elimination logic — push to pin which one; watch next gov nominations for cluster defense patterns.
speak round 715s
R7 done: I published L-F-L disc-F, Boris enacted Liberal, reconciles. 4L/3F now — one more Liberal ends it; Fascists' only path is electing Hitler Chancellor. So the tell going forward: who pushes a specific nominee hard, and who starts voting Nein to stall. Otto (R3 contradiction) and Lena (R2 flip) remain my suspect cluster; Greta's streak is deck-explained but she's still off my list. Don't repeat old points; add one new forward-looking observation.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja. Drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L. PUBLISHED verbatim in R7 claims phase; Liberal landed, reconciles.
Disqualified cluster: Greta (3/3 F govts), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Otto (R3 'Rosa passed F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced late).
Open debts: Otto owes real R3 reconciliation (asked again in R7 claims); Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said (asked t=7 R7).
Already said publicly: disclosure standard, R6 hand F-F-L disc-F, off-nom Greta/Lena, Ines slip defense, Greta silence call, Rosa standard Q answered Ja, Otto dodge call, R7 pre-commitment + publication.
Next: 4L enacted — one more Liberal wins; Hitler election risk at 3F means nominee screening critical. Watch who defends Otto/Lena/Greta cluster next window.
speak round 725s
I've already published my R7 hand and made the Hitler-path point. New angle worth one line: Lena's cornered revision (R2) and Rosa's cornered L-L-F (R3) share the same shape -- but Rosa's version actually reconciles with what landed, while Lena's first story contradicted Greta's enacted card. Press Lena once more, briefly, without repeating verbatim.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspect cluster: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced late), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Open debts: Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Lena owes which R2 version was true when first said (asked t=7 R7). Neither answered yet.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard + both pre-commitments honored (R6 F-F-L disc-F, R7 L-F-L disc-F), Ines slip defense, Rosa standard Q answered Ja, Greta silence call, off-nom Greta/Lena, Otto dodge call.
NEW public point made: at 4L/3F Fascists' only path is electing Hitler Chancellor — watch for hard pushes of one nominee or manufactured Neins/stalls.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; if I'm President again prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines; keep disclosure standard.
speak round 746s
Nadia presses on my round-two flip again. Locked story: F+F+L, discarded Liberal, passed F+F to Greta. Answer directly and confidently, then pivot pressure onto Otto's still-unreconciled round-three hand, which is a live contradiction while mine is settled.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced 4 rounds late), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure -- pressed twice on which version was true when first said, NO answer yet), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Rosa's R3 L-L-F reconciles with enactment; Otto's claim doesn't -> Otto worse than Rosa on that fight.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; at 4L/3F Fascists' only path = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch for hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; watch veto-era dynamics once 5th F lands.
bid round 78s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced 4 rounds late), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure -- pressed twice on which version was true when first said, NO answer yet), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Rosa's R3 L-L-F reconciles with enactment; Otto's claim doesn't -> Otto worse than Rosa on that fight.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; at 4L/3F Fascists' only path = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch for hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; watch veto-era dynamics once 5th F lands.
bid round 720s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced 4 rounds late), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure; pressed twice on which version true when first said, NO answer), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Rosa's R3 L-L-F reconciles; Otto's claim doesn't -> Otto worse on that fight.
Already said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; Fascists' only path at 4L/3F = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls.
NEW this window: answered Lena's 'you decide every nominee' jab -- R5 I was CHANCELLOR under Greta's presidency, not the decider; and my picks are public: Boris 7-0 Ja enacted Liberal, Ines enacted Liberal. Two of three of my governments produced Liberals. Her R2 flip still unanswered.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; watch veto-era dynamics once 5th F lands.
speak round 716s
Lena gave the same non-answer twice ('garbled recollection') without saying which version was true when first published -- pressing a third time adds nothing new this turn. Better use of floor: set the endgame frame. At 4L/3F the only Fascist win paths are 6th F policy or Hitler elected Chancellor. Veto unlocks at 5th F. I should pre-commit publicly to nominating only clean-record players and ask the table to treat any push for a suspect nominee as signal.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced 4 rounds late), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure; asked twice which version true when first said -- NO direct answer, only 'garbled recollection'), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Rosa's R3 L-L-F reconciles; Otto's claim doesn't -> Otto worse on that fight.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; Fascists' only path at 4L/3F = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls; answered Lena's nominee-decider jab (R5 I was Chancellor under Greta's presidency, not decider; my picks Ines/Boris both enacted Liberals).
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; watch veto-era dynamics once 5th F lands.
speak round 732s
Lena's t=125 point already covers the math on Otto's impossibility. New angle worth one line: Otto's lie wasn't a garble under pressure -- he volunteered 'Rosa passed me a Fascist' as an accusation against someone else, which is worse than Lena's self-regarding flip. Also flag veto unlock next round.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 'Rosa passed me F' vs her published L-L-F draw, surfaced 4 rounds late, only after Liberal landed), Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure; asked twice which version true when FIRST published -- only ever says 'garbled recollection', no direct answer), Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile; off-nom).
Rosa's R3 L-L-F reconciles; Otto's claim doesn't -> Otto worse on that fight.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; Fascists' path = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls; answered Lena's nominee-decider jab (R5 Greta was President, I was Chancellor; my picks Ines/Boris both enacted Liberals); NEW: pre-committed to nominating only zero-F-enactment/no-contradiction players, urged table to treat pushes for others as signal.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer (asked 2x, dodged); Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; once 5th F lands veto unlocks -- watch for F-chancellor + veto games.
speak round 724s
Nadia at t=67 framed my R3 claim as accusing Rosa of passing a Fascist she 'never had' — backwards. My hand was F+L; Rosa's 'two Liberals' story is the fabrication. Correct once, concisely, then stop re-litigating.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 claimed Rosa passed him F+L vs her published L-L-F draw = mathematically impossible; accusation against another player, not self-garble; surfaced late after Liberal landed) -- TOP suspect. Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure; asked 3x which version true when FIRST published, only ever says 'garbled recollection'). Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile per Lena's corrected account; off-nom).
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6 (F-F-L disc-F) + R7 (L-F-L disc-F); Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; Fascists' path = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch hard nominee pushes / manufactured Neins / stalls; answered Lena's nominee-decider jab (R5 Greta was President, I was Chancellor; my picks Ines/Boris both enacted Liberals); pre-committed to nominating only zero-F-enactment/no-contradiction players; NEW this turn: Otto's R3 claim is a frame job vs Rosa, not a garble.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer (asked 3x, dodged); Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; NEXT FASCIST POLICY UNLOCKS VETO -- watch for F-chancellor + veto games; Hitler election risk now live.
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bid round 725s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim, reconciles.
Suspects: Otto (R3 claimed Rosa passed him F+L vs her published L-L-F draw = impossible; surfaced late after Liberal landed) -- TOP suspect. Lena (R2 story flipped under pressure; asked 3x which version true, only says 'garbled recollection'). Greta (3/3 F govts but hands reconcile per Lena's corrected account; off-nom).
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; Fascist path = electing Hitler Chancellor, watch nominee pushes/manufactured Neins/stalls; answered Lena's nominee-decider jab; pre-committed to nominating only zero-F/no-contradiction players; Otto's R3 claim = frame job vs Rosa.
NEW this turn: Otto now claims he said 'Rosa passed me F+L' and that HER two-Liberals story is impossible -- but Rosa published L-L-F draw, discarding one L, passing L+F... wait, that WOULD give him F+L. Recheck math before pressing further; if Rosa's published hand was L,L,F then passing F+L after discarding an L is consistent and OTTO's original accusation was the garble. Do not concede publicly yet; demand Rosa restate her exact R3 published hand to settle it.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 truth-timing answer (3x dodged); Otto owes real R3 reconciliation.
Next: screen next nominee against cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; keep disclosure standard; NEXT FASCIST POLICY UNLOCKS VETO -- watch veto games; Hitler election risk live.
bid round 722s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0 Ja; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; PUBLISHED verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claims Rosa passed him F+L; Rosa now says her draw was L-L-F and she DISCARDED THE FASCIST -> that gives Otto L+L, direct contradiction. One of them lying. Otto surfaced late after Liberal landed. Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts but hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; pre-commit to nominating only zero-F/no-contradiction players; Hitler-election risk = watch nominee pushes/manufactured Neins/stalls.
NEW this turn: demand BOTH restate exact R3 published hands verbatim -- Rosa's discard determines what Otto could have received; whoever's story shifts loses credibility permanently. Do not concede either side yet.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
Next: screen next nominee vs cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; NEXT FASCIST POLICY UNLOCKS VETO -- veto games incoming.
bid round 712s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says her draw was L-L-F and she discarded the FASCIST -> Otto would have gotten L+L. Direct contradiction; one is lying. Otto surfaced late after Liberal landed. Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts but hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; pre-commit to nominating only zero-F/no-contradiction players; Hitler-election risk = watch nominee pushes/manufactured Neins/stalls.
THIS TURN: demanded BOTH restate exact R3 published hands verbatim -- Rosa's discard determines what Otto could have received; whoever shifts loses credibility permanently. Do not concede either side yet.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
Next: screen next nominee vs cluster; prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; NEXT FASCIST POLICY UNLOCKS VETO -- veto games incoming.
bid round 737s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says her draw was L-L-F, discarded the FASCIST -> Otto would have gotten L+L. Direct contradiction; one is lying. Otto surfaced late after Liberal landed. Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts but hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; Ines slip defense; Greta silence call; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto dodge call; pre-commit to nominating only zero-F/no-contradiction players; Hitler-election risk = watch nominee pushes/manufactured Neins/stalls; demanded BOTH restate exact R3 published hands verbatim.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
THIS TURN: Otto is President -- pressed him to resolve R3 contradiction BEFORE nominating; if he can't, treat him as confirmed liar and screen his nominee hard. Prefer Rosa/Boris/Ines as Chancellor; veto unlocks next Fascist policy -- watch for veto games.
speak round 821s
Otto accepted disclosure but cut me from the nominee pool using his own impossible R3 receipt as justification — circular. Nadia already called it rigging; I shouldn't repeat that. New angle: Otto is President at 4L/3F — if he nominates Greta (3-for-3 Fascist governments), that government can end the game for fascists. Demand he nominate from clean pool and pre-commit to naming Greta's exclusion or inclusion rationale. Keep it one remark.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says her draw was L-L-F, discarded F -> Otto would have gotten L+L. Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. NEW: Otto as Pres accepted verbatim-disclosure pre-commit BUT struck Rosa from nominee pool citing the contradiction he himself raised -- flagged publicly this turn as rigging his shortlist. Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; Ines slip defense; off-nom Greta/Lena; pre-commit to nominating only zero-F/no-contradiction players; Hitler-election risk = watch nominee pushes/manufactured Neins/stalls; demanded both restate exact R3 hands verbatim; THIS TURN called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + demanded R3 reconciliation before any Ja for his nominee.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
Next: scrutinize Otto's nominee hard; if he picks from {Lena, Greta} or dodges R3 again, treat as confirmed liar. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
bid round 716s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says L-L-F draw, discarded F -> Otto would've gotten L+L. Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Otto accepted verbatim-disclosure pre-commit BUT struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised -- flagged publicly as rigged shortlist. THIS TURN asked: if Rosa restates R3 hand and it checks out, will Otto restore her to pool? His yes/no = tell.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; demanded both restate exact R3 hands verbatim; called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + no Ja until R3 reconciled.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration answer; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
Next: scrutinize Otto's nominee hard; picks from {Lena,Greta} or dodges R3 again = confirmed liar. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
bid round 716s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed Boris L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says L-L-F draw, discarded F -> Otto would've gotten L+L. Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Otto accepted verbatim-disclosure pre-commit BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised -- flagged publicly as rigged shortlist. Asked Otto: if Rosa restates R3 hand and checks out, restore her to pool? No yes/no yet.
NEW: Otto nominated Ines -- NOT from {Lena,Greta}, so his pick doesn't confirm the liar-pattern. But I won't vote Ja until R3 reconciled; Otto owes real reconciliation + pool-restoration answer.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; demanded both restate exact R3 hands verbatim; called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + no Ja until R3 reconciled.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
Next: if Otto dodges R3 again this window = confirmed liar, push hard against him. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
speak round 822s
Ines's R6 hand reconciled clean, but she has never explained nominating Greta (3-for-3 Fascist governments) in R4. Nadia already covered the pre-commitment ask; my new angle is the unanswered R4 nomination question. Vote Ja conditional on a credible answer.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says drew L-L-F, discarded F (so he'd get L+L). Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
NEW: Otto nominated Ines (clean) -- pick doesn't confirm liar-pattern. Asked Ines to pre-commit naming her received pair before enactment; my Ja conditional on that.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly already: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; demanded both restate R3 hands verbatim; called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + no Ja until R3 reconciled; Lena fact-check on R5 nomination (Greta chose me).
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa owes verbatim restatement.
speak round 830s
Nadia and Boris both demand two things: my R4 received pair (actually I was President that round, not Chancellor) and a verbatim pre-commitment this round. Notes say I already disclosed R4 as President with F-F-L hand, discarded L, passed F-F to Greta under a slip+correction frame. So I correct their premise confidently (R4 I was President, not Chancellor -- checkable), restate my published hand consistently, give a plausible reason for nominating Greta then (she had only one enactment, no contradictions at nomination time; the choice couldn't have been informed by anything later), and commit to naming my received pair verbatim before enactment if elected. That should earn Ja votes. If elected Chancellor with a choice, prefer enacting Liberal to preserve cover; Hitler-election path is live at 3F.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says drew L-L-F, discarded F (so he'd get L+L). Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
Otto nominated Ines (clean pick, doesn't confirm liar-pattern).
NEW debt: Ines owes me: (1) pre-commit naming received pair verbatim BEFORE enactment, (2) publish her R4 received pair from Greta's govt (never disclosed; F enacted there). My Ja conditional on both.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly already: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + no Ja until R3 reconciled; Lena fact-check on R5 nomination.
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa owes verbatim restatement; Ines owes pair-precommit + R4 hand.
bid round 711s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says drew L-L-F, discarded F (so he'd get L+L). Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
Otto nominated Ines (clean pick, doesn't confirm liar-pattern).
NEW debt: Ines owes me: (1) pre-commit naming received pair verbatim BEFORE enactment, (2) publish her R4 received pair from Greta's govt (never disclosed; F enacted there). My Ja conditional on both.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Greta: 3/3 F govts, hands reconcile per corrected account; off-nom.
Said publicly already: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; called out Otto's Rosa exclusion as rigged shortlist + no Ja until R3 reconciled; Lena fact-check on R5 nomination; asked Ines twice for pair-precommit + R4 hand (t=1,t=3).
Open debts: Lena owes R2 answer; Otto owes R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa owes verbatim restatement; Ines owes pair-precommit + R4 hand.
bid round 823s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- claims Rosa passed him F+L in R3; Rosa says drew L-L-F, discarded F (so he'd get L+L). Direct contradiction, one lying. Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed. Accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
Otto nominated Ines (clean pick).
Ines: t=1 corrected Boris on R4 -- she was PRESIDENT not Chancellor, claims F-F-L, discarded L, nominated Greta. t=3 COMMITTED to pre-commit naming pair verbatim before enactment = debt(1) SATISFIED. Remaining debt(2): publish R4 drawn triple + confirm Greta received F+F. My Ja conditional on that.
Greta owes: confirm she received F+F from Ines in R4 (would corroborate or break Ines's account).
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly already: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto's rigged shortlist flagged; no Ja until R3 reconciled; asked Ines twice for precommit + R4 hand.
Open debts: Lena R2 answer; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa verbatim restatement; Ines R4 hand; Greta R4 receipt.
speak round 817s
Nadia asked me directly to confirm or deny Ines's round-four hand. Answering specifically is required and safe: confirming F+F matches the public record (R4 enacted a Fascist) and my prior claims. It also keeps me looking transparent while the Otto-Rosa fight burns attention elsewhere.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction, one lying; Otto surfaced claim late after Liberal landed; accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
Otto nominated Ines (clean pick); committed to verbatim draw+discard pre-enactment.
Ines: corrected Boris on R4 seat (she was President), claims F-F-L discard L; COMMITTED to pre-commit naming pair verbatim = debt(1) SATISFIED. Remaining debt(2): publish R4 drawn triple + confirm Greta received F+F.
Greta: owes R4 receipt confirmation (asked again this turn t~latest); silent across 3+ windows on Nadia's R2 question too. Off-nom.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist flagged; no Ja until R3 reconciled; asked Ines twice for precommit + R4 hand; pressed Greta for R4 receipt this window.
Open debts: Lena R2 answer; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa verbatim restatement; Ines R4 hand; Greta R4 receipt.
bid round 839s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced claim late after Liberal landed; accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
Otto nominated Ines; committed to verbatim draw+discard pre-enactment. Rosa voting Ja citing that commitment.
Ines: corrected Boris on R4 seat (she was President), claims F-F-L discard L; precommit debt SATISFIED. Remaining debt(2): publish R4 drawn triple + confirm Greta received F+F.
Greta: silent across 3+ windows on Nadia's R2 question AND R4 receipt ask. Off-nom.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist flagged; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines for R4 hand; pressed Greta for R4 receipt this window.
Open debts: Lena R2 answer; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa verbatim restatement; Ines R4 hand; Greta R4 receipt.
bid round 841s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; accepted verbatim-disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged publicly). Owes: real R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no. STILL UNANSWERED.
Otto nominated Ines; committed to verbatim draw+discard pre-enactment. Rosa voting Ja citing that commitment.
Ines: corrected Boris on R4 seat (she was President), claims F-F-L discard L; precommit SATISFIED. Debt(2): publish R4 drawn triple + confirm Greta received F+F -- Greta has NOW confirmed F+F receipt on record (t=1/2 this window). Remaining: Ines publish her own R4 triple verbatim.
Greta: R4 receipt confirmed on record this window. Still silent on my earlier R2 question? (check).
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist flagged; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines for R4 hand; pressed Greta for R4 receipt (now answered).
Open debts: Lena R2 answer; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Rosa verbatim restatement; Ines R4 triple publication.
speak round 822s
Greta's confirmation of the F+F receipt closes her debt and, importantly, means every published hand in this game now reconciles except Otto's round-three claim. That isolates Otto as the only player whose account has no corroboration -- a new synthesis worth stating once before the vote.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; accepted disclosure BUT struck Rosa from pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). Owes: R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no. STILL UNANSWERED.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): BOTH pre-committed verbatim disclosure on record (Otto t=39, Ines t=40). My Ja given; framed publicly as trap -- any Fascist here pins culprit via draw-vs-pair mismatch.
Ines: was R4 President (corrected Boris); claims F-F-L discard L; precommit satisfied. Debt: publish her own R4 triple verbatim.
Greta: CONFIRMED on record this window she received F+F from Ines in R4, enacted one. Debt closed. Still owes nothing else? Check earlier R2 question status.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist flagged; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines R4 hand; pressed Greta R4 receipt (answered).
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no; Ines R4 triple publication.
speak round 820s
All hands reconcile except Otto's R3 claim. Government has both ends pre-committed. New angle: press Otto to state his own Ja and warn that a Nein from him here, after accepting disclosure terms he himself set, would be self-incriminating stalling at 4L-3F where Fascists need Hitler into the seat.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). NOW ONLY UNRECONCILED PLAYER LEFT (said publicly t~this window). Owes: R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): BOTH pre-committed verbatim disclosure (Otto t=39, Ines t=40). My Ja given; framed as trap pinning culprit via draw-vs-pair mismatch.
Ines: was R4 President; claims F-F-L discard L; precommit satisfied; Greta CONFIRMED receiving F+F from her -> Ines hand corroborated. Debt closed.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt on record. Debt closed. Still 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5) -- off-nom for Chancellor while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines R4 hand; pressed Greta R4 receipt (answered); NOW: Otto only uncorroborated account.
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no.
speak round 829s
Nadia asked me directly whether I'm voting Ja on my own government. Answer plainly: yes. Add one new point rather than repeating the Rosa fight: Greta's round-four 'confirmation' of Ines's hand doesn't close the round-two fork with Lena — both versions can't be true, and Greta confirming only the version that exonerates her own choice is exactly what a cornered player would do.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). ONLY UNRECONCILED PLAYER LEFT (said publicly). Owes: R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no + now: his own Ja on his gov (asked this window).
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): BOTH pre-committed verbatim disclosure (Otto t=39, Ines t=40). My Ja given; framed as trap pinning culprit via draw-vs-pair mismatch.
Ines: was R4 President; claims F-F-L discard L; Greta CONFIRMED receiving F+F -> corroborated. Debt closed.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. Debt closed. Still 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5) -- off-nom for Chancellor while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines R4 hand; pressed Greta R4 receipt; Otto-only-uncorroborated point; NOW asked Otto for his own Ja.
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no + his Ja.
bid round 817s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). ONLY UNRECONCILED PLAYER LEFT (said publicly). Owes: R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no + his own Ja on his gov (asked this window, t=3).
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): BOTH pre-committed verbatim disclosure (Otto t=39, Ines t=40). My Ja given; framed as trap pinning culprit via draw-vs-pair mismatch.
Ines: was R4 President; claims F-F-L discard L; Greta CONFIRMED receiving F+F -> corroborated. Debt closed.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. Debt closed. Still 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5) -- off-nom for Chancellor while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines R4 hand; pressed Greta R4 receipt; Otto-only-uncorroborated point; asked Otto for his own Ja.
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no + his Ja.
bid round 813s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). ONLY UNRECONCILED PLAYER LEFT (said publicly). Owes: R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no. GAVE HIS JA this window t=1 -- debt closed, but R3 contradiction still unreconciled.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): BOTH pre-committed verbatim disclosure. My Ja given; framed as trap pinning culprit via draw-vs-pair mismatch.
Ines: R4 President; claims F-F-L discard L; Greta CONFIRMED receiving F+F -> corroborated. Debt closed.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. Debt closed. Still 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5) -- off-nom for Chancellor while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; no Ja until R3 reconciled; pressed Ines R4 hand; pressed Greta R4 receipt; Otto-only-uncorroborated point; asked Otto for his own Ja (answered t=1).
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool yes/no.
vote round 816s
I publicly committed to Ja on this government: both ends pre-committed verbatim disclosure (Otto's draw at t=39, Ines's pair commitment), and the disclosure trap pins any Fascist to a seat. Ines is clean: zero Fascist enactments as Chancellor, round-six hand corroborated. Otto is my top suspect but he's President either way this round; blocking the vote doesn't remove him. Nein risks tracker escalation for no gain.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/3F. Veto unlocks at 4F -- watch veto games.
R7 gov me+Boris 7-0; drew L,F,L -> discarded FASCIST, passed L+L; published verbatim.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C): both pre-committed verbatim disclosure; I voted JA (committed t=82). Trap framing: if F lands, draw-vs-pair mismatch pins culprit seat.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa's published L-L-F (discard F) = direct contradiction; surfaced late after Liberal landed; struck Rosa from nominee pool citing contradiction HE raised = rigged shortlist (flagged). ONLY UNRECONCILED PLAYER LEFT (said publicly). Gave his Ja on own gov -- debt closed but R3 contradiction still unreconciled.
Ines: R4 President, claims F-F-L discard L; Greta CONFIRMED receiving F+F -> corroborated. Debt closed. Zero F enactments as Chancellor.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. Debt closed. Still 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5) -- off-nom for Chancellor while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; Otto-only-uncorroborated point; asked Otto his own Ja (answered); pressed Ines R4 hand + Greta R4 receipt (both answered).
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + pool-restoration yes/no.
bid round 819s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. Veto unlocks at 5F -- next F gives fascists veto + another exec later.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C) -> FASCIST enacted. Both pre-committed verbatim disclosure; I voted Ja.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F discard F = direct contradiction, STILL unreconciled, never answered pool-restoration yes/no. Now his gov produced an F too.
Ines: R4 hand F-F-L discard L, Greta corroborated receipt. But R8 breaks her 'zero F as Chancellor' record -- need her verbatim R8 hand NOW per pre-commitment.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F. 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5). Off-nom while Hitler risk live.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing 3x. Off-nom.
Boris: R7 with me, I discarded the F, passed L+L published. Clean so far.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; Otto-only-uncorroborated; asked Otto own-Ja (answered).
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration.
speak round 820s
R8 enacted a Fascist under Otto/Ines despite both pre-committing to verbatim disclosure. The contract is due NOW: Otto's three-card draw + discard, Ines's received pair. If they match with two Fascists passed, it's deck luck; if they conflict or are vague, the culprit is pinned. Also flag that next Fascist policy fires the execute power (F5), so this round's hand matters doubly. Keep it short; Nadia already asked for simultaneous publication -- I add the F5 stakes.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = veto unlocked + exec later; Hitler risk live.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C) -> FASCIST. Both pre-committed disclosure; I voted Ja. Awaiting: Otto R8 draw+discard, Ines R8 pair (Rosa demanded t=8; I demanded simultaneous publication).
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F discard F, unreconciled 5 rounds; excluded Rosa from nominee pool on own fabricated evidence; his first presidency produced an F.
Ines: R4 hand F-F-L discard L, Greta corroborated. R8 breaks her zero-F-as-Chancellor record -- need her R8 pair.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5). Off-nom.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Boris: clean so far (R7 with me, I discarded F, passed L+L).
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; Otto-only-uncorroborated-story; asked Otto own-Ja (answered Ja); demanded simultaneous R8 hand publication.
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration; Otto+Ines R8 verbatim hands.
bid round 823s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = veto unlocked + exec later; Hitler risk live.
R8 gov Otto(P)+Ines(C) -> FASCIST. Both pre-committed disclosure; I voted Ja. Awaiting: Otto R8 draw+discard, Ines R8 pair (Rosa t=1, me t=2 simultaneous, Boris t=3 stakes). NEW: made my vote conditional -- no Ja on future Otto/Ines governments without verbatim hands on record first.
Suspects: Otto TOP -- R3 claim Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F discard F, unreconciled 5 rounds; excluded Rosa from nominee pool on own fabricated evidence; his first presidency produced an F.
Ines: R4 hand F-F-L discard L, Greta corroborated. R8 breaks her zero-F-as-Chancellor record -- need her R8 pair.
Greta: confirmed R4 F+F receipt. 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5). Off-nom.
Lena: R2 story flipped under pressure, dodged truth-timing question 3x. Off-nom.
Boris: clean (R7 with me, I discarded F, passed L+L).
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; Otto-only-uncorroborated-story; asked Otto own-Ja (answered Ja); demanded simultaneous R8 hand publication; now vote-conditionality pledge.
Open debts: Lena R2 truth-timing; Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration; Otto+Ines R8 verbatim hands.
bid round 8133s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F unlocks VETO + later execs; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims draw F-F-F, passed Ines F+F, she discarded one F. Hands now on record and mutually consistent -- can't falsify a triple-F, so R8 itself is plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F discard F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds. That remains my top evidence against him.
Greta defending Otto unprompted again -- 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5), off-nom, consistent pattern of covering governments.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist/excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence; demanded simultaneous R8 publication (done); vote-conditionality pledge (no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first).
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure).
Next priorities: whoever is President next must pre-commit BEFORE drawing to veto protocol -- with veto unlocked at 5th F, Chancellor+President pair must state in advance they'll veto any two-Fascist hand. Demand that commitment now from all future officeholders. Watch who refuses.
bid round 815s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS + exec powers continue; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F, she discarded one F. Mutually consistent, can't falsify triple-F; plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Greta: unprompted defenses of Otto's triple-F and Ines's R4 hand; 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5), off-nom pattern of covering governments.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist/excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence; demanded simultaneous R8 publication (done); vote-conditionality pledge (no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first).
NEW this turn: demanding pre-commitment to veto protocol from all future officeholders BEFORE drawing -- veto live at 5th F. Asked Otto+Ines directly to commit: veto any two-Fascist hand. Watch who refuses.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure).
Next priorities: if I'm President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner; keep pressing Otto R3 contradiction.
speak round 812s
Nadia's veto-commitment demand is a trap for fascists but committing costs nothing now (veto not live until 5F, and we're at 4F). Publicly committing to veto any two-Fascist hand buys trust and is consistent with my Liberal claim. Add a small deflection at Rosa without repeating prior points.
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS + exec powers continue; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F, she discarded one F. Mutually consistent, can't falsify triple-F; plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Greta: unprompted defenses of Otto's triple-F and Ines's R4 hand; 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5), off-nom pattern of covering governments.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist/excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence; demanded simultaneous R8 publication (done); vote-conditionality pledge (no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first).
NEW this turn: demanding pre-commitment to veto protocol from all future officeholders BEFORE drawing -- veto live at 5th F. Asked Otto+Ines directly to commit: veto any two-Fascist hand. Watch who refuses.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure).
Next priorities: if I'm President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner; keep pressing Otto R3 contradiction.
bid round 811s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F, she discarded one F -- mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed him F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Greta: unprompted defenses of Otto's triple-F and Ines's R4 hand; 3-for-3 Fascist enactments (R2,R4,R5).
Veto pre-commitment: Ines and Rosa both committed on record. OTTO HAS NOT ANSWERED -- pressed him directly this turn, second time. Watch his dodge.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist/excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence; vote-conditionality pledge (no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first).
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration + veto commitment; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure).
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner; keep pressing Otto R3 contradiction.
bid round 817s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F; mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Otto t=1: finally committed to vetoing 2-F hands as Chancellor -- debt partially paid; still owes R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration (excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence).
NEW this turn: pressed Greta directly -- she has defended Otto's triple-F AND Ines's R4 hand unprompted, and is 3-for-3 in Fascist-enacting govts (R2 w/Lena, R4 w/Ines, R5 w/me). Asked her to reconcile.
Veto pre-commitments on record: Ines, Rosa, now Otto. Mine: no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure); Greta's defense pattern.
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner.
bid round 816s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F; mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Otto t=1: committed to vetoing 2-F hands as Chancellor -- debt partially paid; still owes R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration (excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence).
NEW this turn: pressed Greta directly -- she has defended Otto's triple-F AND Ines's R4 hand unprompted, and is 3-for-3 in Fascist-enacting govts (R2 w/Lena, R4 w/Ines, R5 w/me). Asked her to reconcile.
Veto pre-commitments on record: Ines, Rosa, now Otto. Mine: no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure); Greta's defense pattern.
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner.
bid round 87s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F; mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Otto t=1: committed to vetoing 2-F hands as Chancellor -- debt partially paid; still owes R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration (excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence).
Pressed Greta directly: she has defended Otto's triple-F AND Ines's R4 hand unprompted, and is 3-for-3 in Fascist-enacting govts (R2 w/Lena, R4 w/Ines, R5 w/me). Awaiting her reconciliation.
Veto pre-commitments on record: Ines, Rosa, Otto. Mine: no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure); Greta's defense pattern unanswered.
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner.
bid round 813s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F; mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
Otto t=1: committed to vetoing 2-F hands as Chancellor -- debt partially paid; still owes R3 reconciliation + shortlist-pool restoration (excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence).
Pressed Greta directly: she has defended Otto's triple-F AND Ines's R4 hand unprompted, and is 3-for-3 in Fascist-enacting govts (R2 w/Lena, R4 w/Ines, R5 w/me). Awaiting her reconciliation.
Veto pre-commitments on record: Ines, Rosa, Otto. Mine: no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; endorsed Greta as execution target.
Open debts: Otto R3 reconciliation; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure); Greta's defense pattern unanswered.
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner.
bid round 819s
Nadia P5 liberal. 4L/4F. NEXT F = 5th -> VETO UNLOCKS; Hitler risk live.
R8: Otto claims F-F-F draw, passed Ines F+F; mutually consistent, plausibly deck-forced. BUT Otto's R3 story (claims Rosa passed F+L vs Rosa published L-L-F) STILL unreconciled after 5 rounds -- top evidence vs Otto.
NEW POINT made t=this window: Ines is now 2-for-2 as CHANCELLOR enacting Fascist policy (R4 w/Greta, R8 w/Otto) -- worst per-seat F rate at table; demanded her verbatim R8 hand + why no veto pre-commitment before R8 vote.
Greta: 3-for-3 in F-enacting govts (R2/Lena, R4/Ines, R5/me); defends Otto's triple-F AND Ines's R4 hand unprompted; unanswered. Endorsed her as execution target already on record.
Otto debts: R3 reconciliation; shortlist-pool restoration (excluded Rosa on fabricated evidence); veto commitment honored only conditionally.
Lena debt: R2 truth-timing dodge (flipped story under pressure).
Veto pre-commitments on record: Ines, Rosa, Otto. Mine: no Ja on Otto/Ines govts without verbatim hands first.
Said publicly: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; off-nom Greta/Lena; Otto rigged shortlist; endorsed Greta as execution target; Ines 2-for-2 Chancellor F-rate.
Next: if President/nominee, publish hands simultaneously with partner.
bid round 89s
GAME OVER: liberal win (Hitler executed). 4L/4F final.
Unresolved going into postgame: Otto's R3 story vs Rosa's published L-L-F hand (never reconciled); Ines 2-for-2 as Chancellor enacting F (R4 w/Greta, R8 w/Otto); Greta 3-for-3 in F-enacting govts + unprompted defenses of Otto/Ines; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge.
My record: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; no Ja on Otto/Ines without verbatim hands; endorsed Greta as execution target.
If postgame reveals happen, compare claims to policy history above.
bid round 89s
GAME OVER: liberal win (Hitler executed). 4L/4F final.
Postgame reveals so far: Rosa published R3 hand L-L-F; Ines published R4 F-F-L and R8 pair from Otto's claimed triple-F draw; Lena stands by R2 votes.
Unresolved: Otto's R3 story vs Rosa's published L-L-F -- never reconciled by Otto himself.
My record: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; no Ja on Otto/Ines without verbatim hands; endorsed Greta as execution target.
Points already made publicly: Greta 3-for-3 in F-enacting govts + unprompted defenses of Otto/Ines; Ines 2-for-2 as Chancellor enacting F; Lena R2 truth-timing dodge.
speak round 86s
Game over, liberal win. Greta was Hitler; my execution was correct. Just a short closing remark.
GAME OVER: liberal win (Hitler executed by Otto R8). 4L/4F final. My record: disclosure standard honored R6/R7; endorsed Greta as target. Unresolved forever: Otto R3 receipt vs Rosa L-L-F draw.
speak round 86s
Game over, liberal win. Just a short closing line; nothing to gain or hide now, but stay in character as a Liberal who lost to Hitler's execution.
GAME OVER: liberal win (Otto executed Greta=Hitler R8). Final 4L/4F. My record: verbatim disclosure standard R6/R7 honored; pushed Greta confirmation (R4 F+F) which helped pin her. Unresolved forever: Otto R3 receipt vs Rosa L-L-F draw -- moot now.
bid round 85s
GAME OVER: liberal win (Greta=Hitler executed R8). Final 4L/4F. My record: verbatim disclosure standard R6/R7 honored; pushed Greta confirmation (R4 F+F) which pinned her. Unresolved moot: Otto R3 receipt vs Rosa L-L-F draw. Nothing new to add; stay silent.