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Player 5 (Nadia)
liberal · liberal · oxalpha · 162 calls
bid round 113s
said: Round one, no information yet -- I'd like us to start with a calm, uncontroversial government so we get a clean baseline read on everyone. Boris, whoever you pick for Chancellor, I'll vote based on how they present themselves here. No reason to be paranoid yet.
R1 open floor, nothing has happened. I (Lena) am Fascist; Ines=P3 fellow fasc, Greta=P4 Hitler (she doesn't know me). Plan: claim Lib, push mild early govts, protect Ines/Greta lightly later. Nothing said yet worth tracking.
bid round 13s
R1 start. No info yet. Watch: Boris's nomination, vote patterns, who pushes for risky govs. Said nothing publicly.
bid round 113s
R1. I'm chancellor nominee under Boris. No info yet, no policies enacted. Watch: vote patterns this round, Boris's future picks, who pushes risky govs later. Said publicly: asked for Ja votes on first gov as low-risk.
bid round 15s
R1 open floor. I'm Hitler. No info. Plan: play liberal, quiet early, build trust. Said: voiced support for Rosa's transparency pledge, asked her to state hand before enacting.
bid round 18s
R1: fascist w/ Lena; Hitler=Greta. Claim lib. Said: fine w/ Boris-Rosa govt; asked Rosa to name discard on mixed hand. Otto+Greta also demanding full 3-card disclosure -- echo briefly, don't repeat their points. No suspicions yet. Plan: Ja vote, stay quiet-ish early.
bid round 17s
R1: Boris pres, Rosa chancellor nominee. Rosa pledged full 3-card reveal + discard before board shows anything. That answers my t=2 ask -- I'll vote Ja. No suspicions yet, no policies enacted. Watch: if F policy enacted under Rosa, she owns it.
vote round 18s
Round 1, zero information. Boris nominated Rosa; she committed to full three-card composition plus discard disclosure, which was the main ask on the table. No track record, no reason to burn a Nein -- a failed election just pushes an unfiltered card through. Voting Ja and watching her first hand for consistency with her pledge.
R1: no info. Boris nom'd Rosa. Rosa committed to full 3-card comp + discard + enact disclosure (Greta/Otto demand) -- hold her to it verbatim. Open Q: veto stance pre-vote unanswered (my ask). Vote: Ja. Next: log everyone's R1 votes as first data; compare Rosa's claimed hand vs board reveal.
bid round 111s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist, Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R1: Boris pres, Rosa chanc. Rosa pledged full 3-card disclosure+discard (t=37). Greta/Otto pressed her on disclosure -- note Greta active. Voted Ja R1. R1 result: Liberal enacted (Boris+Rosa govt). Don't push Greta as chancellor pre-3-fasc. Points made out loud: judge govts on merits (t=7). No open questions pending.
bid round 14s
R1: Hitler (me). Voted Ja Boris/Rosa. Made point: demanded full 3-card disclosure from Rosa; she committed on record. Liberal enacted R1 -- fine for me. No suspicions yet. Watch if Rosa honors full-disclosure pledge; if she breaks it or enacts F later, push suspicion her way. Don't repeat my earlier point; stay quiet unless asked.
bid round 217s
R1: fascist w/ Lena; Hitler=Greta. Claim lib. R1 Boris-Rosa gov -> Liberal, good cover. Otto pressing Rosa on discard composition -- let her answer, no need to jump in. Points already made: ok w/ R1 result, discard pledge ask. Nothing new.
bid round 28s
R1: Boris handed me L+F; I discarded the F, enacted the L. Pledge kept, disclosure made. Otto now asking for composition — answer directly with that. R1 vote 7-0 Ja. Watch: Boris's R2 nomination, who ends up in Fas-enacting govs, contradictions of my disclosure. Otto & Greta: did my disclosure earn their Ja? Points already made: accountability pledge, full disclosure, Fas-under-me = evidence.
bid round 211s
said: Rosa's answer checks out against the board -- one Liberal down, no contradictions. Lena, you're President now: who are you leaning toward for Chancellor? I'd like to hear your read before we all pile in.
R1: fascist w/ Lena; Hitler=Greta. Claim lib. R1 Boris-Rosa -> Liberal, good cover. Rosa answered Otto's discard question cleanly (F+L, discarded F). Nothing suspicious yet. Made out loud: ok w/ R1 result, discard-pledge idea. Now: nudging Lena on her nomination pick.
bid round 26s
R1: fascist w/ Lena; Hitler=Greta. Claim lib. R1 Boris-Rosa -> Liberal (good cover). Rosa answered Otto: claimed F+L hand, discarded F. Lena nominated me as Chancellor; she pledged full 3-card disclosure + discard stated before reveal. I should accept and pledge same transparency if elected. Points already made: fine w/ R1 result.
bid round 26s
R1: fascist w/ Lena; Hitler=Greta. Claim lib. R1 Boris-Rosa -> Liberal; Rosa disclosed F+L hand only after Otto pressed (late disclosure precedent). Lena nominated me R2; I pledged pre-reveal 3-card disclosure. Already said publicly: accept nomination+pledge; flagged Rosa's late disclosure as concern. Now: final pitch for election. Plan if elected: disclose plausible hand BEFORE reveal (e.g., L+F+F discard F... actually prefer L enact early for cover unless good F window). Watch path to elect Greta once 3F up.
vote round 243s
Round 1 government was clean (Liberal enacted, Rosa's composition claim consistent with Boris's confirmation). Ines pledged pre-reveal full disclosure and has been measured. No concrete reason to distrust Lena+Ines; a Nein risks a forced policy on a 3-fail tracker. Vote Ja.
R1: Boris+Rosa clean, Liberal enacted, Rosa comp (F+L, disc F) confirmed by Boris. R2: Lena pres, Ines nom; Ines pledged pre-reveal full comp. Otto committed Ja if pledge kept. I voted Ja R2. Watch: Ines's card claim vs deck odds (14 draw/2 disc). No open questions owed to me. Points made: none yet publicly.
bid round 254s
R1: I was Pres, passed [F,L] to Rosa, she claimed exactly that -- clean. Otto confirmed my claim publicly. R2: Lena Pres, Ines Chan; both pledged pre-reveal full composition+discard standard BEFORE vote. Result: Fascist enacted. NOW: demand both state their hands exactly as pledged -- did they keep the pledge? If either dodges or story doesn't match a 3-card draw containing an F, prime suspect. Points already made: asked Lena re disclosure standard + pick (answered), endorsed pledge, confirmed my own R1 hand. No open questions owed to me except this one now.
bid round 221s
R1: Boris+Rosa clean (Liberal). R2: Lena pres, Ines ch -> Fascist enacted. Ines pledged full comp pre-reveal; must now state exact hand. Otto pledged Ja if pledge kept. I voted Ja R2. Ask: Ines's exact 2 cards + discard; Lena's 3 + discard. Points made: none yet publicly. No open questions owed to me yet.
speak round 214s
Others are demanding disclosures; I should add something they haven't: pin down the exact split -- did Lena pass two Fascists, or pass one of each and Ines chose the Fascist? That distinguishes President-guilt from Chancellor-guilt. Ask both specifically.
R1: Boris+Rosa clean (Liberal). R2: Lena pres + Ines ch -> Fascist enacted; both broke pre-reveal disclosure pledge. My key Q (asked): was it 2F passed by Lena, or 1F/1L passed and Ines enacted F herself? Awaiting answers from Lena and Ines. Rosa/Boris confirmed matching hands R1. Otto pressed disclosure already; don't repeat. I voted Ja R2.
bid round 215s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist, Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R1: Boris+Rosa enacted L (1L/0F); Rosa disclosed post-hoc, Boris confirmed match. R2: I Pres, nominated Ines, vote passed 7-0. Drew F,L,F -> discarded L, passed F,F to Ines. PUBLICLY STATED t=28: full disclosure F/L/F, discard Liberal, passed two Fascists to Ines. Ines should discard a Fascist -- coordinate via her matching story. Otto/Boris/Rosa all pressed disclosure; answered directly. Tracker 0/3. Keep Greta out of chancellor seat until 3F on board. Watch: Rosa's R1 late disclosure pattern; Otto pushing hard on both govs.
speak round 214s
Lena and Ines's stories match and are unverifiable. Ines's jab at Otto and me for pressing is deflection but not evidence. Best use of turn: pivot forward -- ask Lena (still President) or next in rotation to pre-commit to nominations, and keep the disclosure standard alive without repeating Otto's point.
R1: Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F -> disc L -> passed 2F to Ines; forced enact. Stories match, unverifiable. I voted Ja R2. My Q re hand split answered by Lena+Ines. Ines pushed back on Otto/me for pressing -- dropped it publicly. Watch: Lena's R3 behavior/nomination; disclosure pledges now standard for all. No open questions owed to me.
bid round 27s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> 1L, closed. R2: Lena pres, Ines chanc -> F enacted; both pledged pre-reveal, broke it. Lena claims drew F,L,F; discarded L; passed 2F. Ines matches. Stories consistent -- no mismatch to press. Points already made: R1 Boris ack; conditional Ja to Ines; broken-pledge call; matching-stories demand. No hard suspects yet; Lena/Ines both on watchlist for R2 F. If either gets power next, scrutinize. Silent this window.
bid round 211s
R1 truth: Boris(P)-Rosa(C), drew F+L, I discarded F, enacted L, full disclosure given. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted Fascist; both claim F,F,L drawn, L discarded by Lena, forced enact. Greta corroborated match; Nadia dropped it with caveat watching Lena. My public points so far: demanded pre-reveal card specifics, broke pledges = evidence, matching accounts alone prove nothing. NEW angle if I speak: cheap coordination -- two fascists can sync a story in one whisper-free round since only they know truth; corroboration between the two suspects is circular. Real test: next government's disclosures + whether either deviates from stated pattern. Ask Lena/Ines directly: will you both commit to full hand disclosure every round you hold cards? Suspect order: Ines > Lena (Lena's discard claim unverifiable). Clean: Boris, me. Watch Otto/Nadia/Greta for vouching without specifics.
bid round 29s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. R2: Lena-P3 govt 7-0, F enacted. Cover story: Lena drew F,L,F, passed me 2 Fs, forced enact -- corroborated by Greta publicly. Points already made (don't repeat): pre-reveal pledge rationale, disclosure standard, corroboration limits, Otto/Nadia evidence-free pressing. NEW this turn: accepted Rosa's pre-reveal discard pledge (costs nothing, buys trust; Lena must honor it too when holding mixed hand). Rosa still suspicious of matched stories -- keep distance from Lena in future rounds. Next goals: Greta chancellorship once 3F+ on board, push Fs quietly, pass Lib occasionally for cover. Watch Nadia re: Lena scrutiny.
bid round 228s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R1 Boris+Rosa L enact; R2 me Pres + Ines Ch: public story F,F,L drew, discarded L, passed F,F forced enact (consistent w/ Ines). Pledged split-hand Fascist-discard rule. Otto now attacking Greta for vouching -- defend Greta lightly, redirect: why does Otto need a villain so fast? Next round as Pres: nominate Otto or Nadia (NOT Ines/Greta). Keep Greta out of chancellor seat until 3F. If F/F/L story relitigated, don't repeat verbatim -- point to Nadia dropping it. Deflection target: Otto.
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bid round 218s
Me=Hitler(fascist). R1 Boris/Rosa -> Lib, clean. R2 Lena/Ines -> F enacted; Lena claims F,F,L disc L pass 2F; Ines confirms. Otto+Nadia pressed, Nadia dropped it. Rosa's discard-F pledge accepted by Lena on record. Otto challenged my 'vouch' -- answered: I flagged matched-story risk myself, not a clean bill. Already said: consistency note + unfalsifiable caveat + that answer -- don't repeat. Suspects: none solid; watch Lena next gov (Nadia watching too). Plan: stay liberal-seeming, seek chancellorship once 3F enacted.
bid round 210s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2 Lena claims F,L,F -> disc L -> passed 2F to Ines; forced enact; stories match, Greta corroborated but unverifiable. I voted Ja R2. Otto attacking Greta's vouch as 3rd-Fascist smoothing; Lena/Ines/Greta all pushed back. Points already out loud: (1) asked Greta basis for clean-bill vouch; (2) proposed pre-commit discard-disclosure rule for all future Pres/Chanc pairs. Watch Lena's R3 nomination for self-serving pick. No unanswered questions owed to me.
bid round 319s
R1: Boris/Rosa -> 1L. R2: Lena/Ines -> F. Both claim F,L,F, stories match, unfalsifiable. Points made: Boris ack; conditional Ja on Ines; matching-stories demand; Rosa discard-F pledge; pressed Greta. Watchlist: Lena, Ines (R2 F gov). Open: none unanswered. Next: Rosa is Pres now -- ask her pre-nomination pledge: who she'll nominate and why; if she picks Ines/Lena again that's a red flag.
speak round 313s
Ines just revealed she asked Lena for a split and Lena refused, handing two Fascists anyway. A liberal President with F,F,L discards a Fascist to give the Chancellor a choice — refusing is exactly what a Fascist President does to force an enact while hiding behind 'the deck.' That's new evidence against Lena I should name now.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F, disc L, passed 2F to Ines = forced enact. NEW: Ines says she ASKED Lena to discard a F for a split; Lena DECLINED -> Lena chose the forced Fascist enact. That's my top suspect evidence vs Lena (R2). Greta corroborated hand, unverifiable. Otto attacked Greta as 3rd-Fascist smoothing; resolved-ish. Rosa nominating me as Chancellor; I accepted pledge on record: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. If elected under Rosa: follow pledge. Watch: does Lena answer why she refused the split?
bid round 330s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2 Lena claims F,L,F -> disc L -> passed 2F to Ines; forced enact; Greta corroborated, unverifiable. I voted Ja R2. Otto attacking Greta's vouch as 3rd-Fascist smoothing; Lena/Ines/Greta pushed back. Already said: asked Greta basis for vouch; proposed pre-commit discard-disclosure rule. NEW: Rosa nominating me; I accepted pledge on record. Rosa also asked Ines whether she requested Lena discard a F for a choice -- Ines has NOT answered yet. Watch that answer. If elected Chanc under Rosa: if one of each, discard F, state pre-reveal.
speak round 329s
I'm the Chancellor nominee. I should confirm my pledge on record (one of each -> discard Fascist pre-reveal) and push for votes. Lena remains my top suspect: she held F,F,L in R2 and declined Ines's request to split, forcing the Fascist enact herself. Keep that pressure alive without repeating my exact earlier wording.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F, disc L, passed 2F to Ines = forced enact. Ines says she ASKED Lena to discard a F for a split; Lena DECLINED -> Lena chose forced Fascist enact. Top suspect: Lena (R2). Greta corroborated hand, unverifiable. Otto attacked Greta as 3rd-Fascist smoothing; resolved-ish. I'm Chancellor nominee under Rosa; pledged on record: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. Open Q to Lena: why refuse the split? Still unanswered. If elected: follow pledge.
speak round 317s
I'm the Chancellor nominee. My pledge is on record. Lena still hasn't answered why she refused Ines's split request. I should press that once more briefly and ask for Ja votes, or add something new. Rosa as President is unproven but R1 was clean under her. Keep it short.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F, disc L, passed 2F to Ines. Ines says she ASKED Lena to discard a F for a split; Lena DECLINED -> Lena chose forced Fascist enact. Top suspect: Lena (R2). Greta corroborated hand, unverifiable. Otto pressed Greta; resolved-ish. I'm Chancellor nominee under Rosa; pledged on record: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. Open Q to Lena: why refuse the split? Still unanswered (asked twice). If elected: follow pledge.
speak round 385s
I've asked Lena twice why she refused Ines's split request; no answer. Rather than repeat, add a concrete ask: if Lena is ever President again, she should be held to the discard-pledge too, and I'll state my hand pre-reveal as pledged. Keep it short.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F, disc L, passed 2F to Ines; Ines says she ASKED for split, Lena DECLINED -> Lena chose forced Fascist enact. Top suspect: Lena (R2). Asked Lena 3x why she refused split -- unanswered. Greta corroborated hand (unverifiable); Otto pressed her, resolved-ish. I'm Chancellor nominee under Rosa; pledge on record: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. Rosa's R1 gov clean. If elected: follow pledge, disclose pre-reveal. Don't repeat split question again after this turn unless Lena answers.
bid round 328s
R1: I Pres, passed [F,L] to Rosa; matched, clean. R2: Lena/Ines govt, Fascist enacted; both claim F,F,L drawn, L discarded -- consistent, unverifiable. Points made out loud: pre-reveal disclosure demand, broken-pledge flag, R1 hand confirm, Ines one-of-each hypothetical, endorsed pledge, pressed Lena for next pick + no-repeat commitment, asked Rosa to commit: no Lena/Ines in R3 govt + Nadia must accept pre-reveal pledge. Owed answers: Lena (next pick), Rosa (commitment). If Lena/Ines produce 2nd Fascist policy together -> both near-certain fascists. Suspects: Lena+Ines moderate-high; Otto unremarkable; watch Otto's pivot target.
bid round 39s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F, disc L, passed 2F to Ines = forced enact. Ines says she ASKED Lena to discard a F for a split; Lena DECLINED -> Lena chose forced Fascist enact. Top suspect: Lena (R2). Greta corroborated hand, unverifiable. Otto attacked Greta as 3rd-Fascist smoothing; resolved-ish. I'm Chancellor nominee under Rosa; pledged on record: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. Open Q to Lena: why refuse the split? Still unanswered. If elected: follow pledge.
bid round 313s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 me Pres+Ines Ch: locked public story F,F,L drew, discarded L, passed F,F (matches Ines) -- do NOT restate hand verbatim; if relitigated, note Nadia dropped this line earlier. Split-refusal answer given t=now: 'no concrete request before I passed; post-hoc revisionism.' Rosa nominating Nadia w/ one-of-each discard pledge on record. Next round as Pres: nominate Otto or Nadia, NOT Ines/Greta; keep Greta out of chancellery until 3F enacted. Deflection target: Otto. Open Qs: none pending from others; I asked Nadia why she revived dropped R2 question -- watch reply. Nothing else new: after this answer, go quiet.
bid round 38s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 locked story: F,F,L drew, discarded L, passed F,F -- matches Ines's account of what she received; do NOT restate verbatim. Split-refusal answered: 'Ines never asked pre-pass; request surfaced 2 rounds late = post-reveal reconstruction.' Boris t=3 R3 framed me vs Ines as contradiction -- I rebutted with timing argument; after this go QUIET on split topic. Nadia pressed 3x, answered. Rosa nominating Nadia w/ one-of-each discard pledge. Next round as Pres: nominate Otto or Nadia, NOT Ines/Greta; keep Greta out of chancellery until 3F enacted. Deflection target: Otto. Open Qs: none owed to me.
bid round 39s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F disc L passed 2F; Ines says she ASKED for split pre-pass, Lena denies -> direct contradiction, one lying; both top suspects. Lena dodging Rosa's card-position question 3x -- pressed her again this window. Ines deflecting to 'judge Nadia's enact' instead of resolving R2 -- noted publicly. My pledge on record as nominee under Rosa: one of each -> discard F, state pre-reveal. If elected: follow pledge. Already said this window: contradiction point, pledge -- don't repeat verbatim.
bid round 35s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 locked story: drew F,F,L, discarded L (third position), passed F,F -- matches Ines. Rosa demanded card position 3x; ANSWERED this turn: 'third slot.' Do not restate verbatim again. Nadia pledge endorsed + Ja already on record. Boris framed me-vs-Ines contradiction -- rebutted via timing ('request surfaced 2 rounds late = post-reveal reconstruction'); keep quiet on split unless pressed again. Next round as Pres: nominate Otto or Nadia, NOT Ines/Greta; keep Greta out of chancellery until 3F enacted. Deflection target: Otto. Open Qs owed me: none.
vote round 310s
I'm the nominee; voting Nein on my own government would be absurd. I've accepted the full pre-reveal disclosure pledge. Vote Ja.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,L,F disc L passed 2F; Ines says she ASKED for split pre-pass, Lena denies -> direct contradiction, both top suspects. Lena dodged Rosa's card-position Q 3x (finally said Liberal was 3rd position). Ines deflects to 'judge Nadia's enact' instead of resolving R2. Otto/Greta/Boris all Ja on me; I pledged FULL 3-card composition + discard stated PRE-reveal (Otto's upgrade), not just one-of-each. If elected under Rosa: honor full pledge. Already said publicly: R2 contradiction point, pledges. Owed answers: none pending to me.
chancellor_enact round 314s
hand: ['F', 'L'] → enact_1
I'm a Liberal Chancellor holding F,L. My on-record pledge (Otto's upgraded version) commits me to stating my full composition and discard before the reveal. The only honest-and-safe play is to discard the Fascist and enact the Liberal, stated publicly now. This also builds credibility against Lena/Ines, who both produced a Fascist policy.
said: Pre-reveal disclosure, as pledged: Rosa handed me one Fascist and one Liberal. I am discarding the Fascist and enacting the Liberal -- exactly what the pledge requires. Judge this government by it.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,F,L disc L passed 2F; Ines says she ASKED for split pre-pass, Lena denies -> direct contradiction, both top suspects. Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib was 3rd position. Otto/Greta/Boris all Ja on me; I pledged FULL composition + discard PRE-reveal. R3 enacted: received F,L from Rosa, discarded F, enacted L per pledge. Watch: whether Rosa's published draw matches her claim. Owed answers: none pending to me. Points already made publicly: R2 contradiction, pledges, Lena forced-enact question.
bid round 39s
Me=Hitler(fascist). R1 Boris/Rosa->Lib. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L disc L pass 2F; Ines confirms + later claims she 'asked Lena for split' (contradicts Lena). Otto says Ines lying. Rosa keeps re-asking me why I vouched (answered 2x, don't repeat). R3 gov: Rosa/Nadia, Nadia pledged full pre-reveal comp per Otto. My stance: endorsed Nadia, Ja -- already on record, stay silent now. Suspects: none solid; watch Lena/Ines disclosures next gov. Plan: liberal-seeming, seek chancellorship once 3F enacted.
bid round 317s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. R2: Lena-P3 govt 7-0, F enacted; cover story F,F/L/F forced. LIE on record: split-request claim vs Lena's denial -> Boris/Otto call me liar/top suspect. Strategy: hold story, no repeats, distance from Lena. Points made (don't repeat): pledge rationale, disclosure standard, corroboration limits, Greta defense, discard pledge, matched-stories weak, deflected Rosa's Greta-vouch Q, split-request claim, Lena-benefits rebuttal, drop-it pivot, voting Ja t=2. OPEN: Rosa owes answer re early Greta vouch-adjacency (unanswered). NOW: silent on Rosa-Nadia debate; Otto pushing pre-reveal full-composition pledge on Nadia -- fine for me, voting Ja. Judge Nadia's enact next round for info. Goals: pledge credibility, Greta chancellorship at 3F+, occasional Lib enact for cover. Watch Otto/Nadia scrutiny of me.
bid round 311s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), hand F,F,L -> discarded one Fascist, passed Nadia F+L; publishing pre-reveal composition publicly NOW (pledged). Nadia pledged: one-of-each -> discard Fascist + full pre-reveal composition (Otto upgrade). If she breaks it, top suspect. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L, Lena discarded L, Liberal 3rd position (answered late, 3 dodges first). LIVE: Ines claims pre-pass split request, Lena denies -> one lying; Otto+Boris side with Ines. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. OWED ME: Greta vouch rationale (asked 3x, silent). Points already public: corroboration proves nothing; broken pledges=evidence; presidents choose which two to pass; matched stories=coordinated fascists; my Ja on Rosa-Nadia.
bid round 311s
Me=Hitler(fascist). R1 Boris/Rosa->Lib. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L disc L pass 2F; Ines confirms + says she asked Lena for split; Lena denies -> live contradiction, Otto+Boris lean against Ines. R3 gov Rosa/Nadia: Nadia pledged full comp pre-reveal, I endorsed+voted Ja, she delivered Lib as pledged. Suspects: none solid; Lena/Ines contradiction unresolved. Plan: liberal-seeming, seek chancellorship once 3F enacted. Already said: matched-stories-not-evidence; endorsed Nadia's pledge. NOW: gave vouch rationale to Rosa (pledge was self-verifying + term-limited pair low risk).
speak round 330s
Lena directly asked me to settle the split-request dispute. I side with Ines based on Lena's own behavior: she dodged Rosa's card-position question three times before answering, and a liberal President holding F,F,L should have discarded a Fascist to give her Chancellor a choice. That's my answer.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean (Lib). R2: Lena claims F,F,L disc L passed 2F; Ines says she ASKED for split pre-pass, Lena denies -> contradiction. Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd position -> I publicly sided with Ines (t=57 R3). R3: I got F,L from Rosa, discarded F, enacted L per pledge; Rosa clean, disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal. Greta pressed Otto on zero governments + first to call Ines liar; Otto agreed to take Chancellor nom + full pre-reveal draw pledge. Next F policy unlocks peek; holder must pre-state target (Greta+Otto both proposed). Open: Greta owes Rosa vouch rationale (answered vaguely t=23/30, watch); Lena owes forced-enact explanation -- now answered by my verdict call. If President next: consider nominating Otto (pledged transparency) or Greta to test.
speak round 336s
I've settled the split-request dispute publicly (sided with Ines). New angle: Greta flagged Otto for zero governments but she also has zero governments and dodged Rosa's vouch question four times before giving a vague non-answer at t=23/30. Press her on accepting a nomination to match Otto's transparency.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena claims F,F,L disc L passed 2F; Ines says asked pre-pass for split, Lena denies -> contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd. I publicly sided with Ines (t=57 R3) -- DONE, don't repeat. R3: I drew F,L from Rosa, discarded F per pledge; Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, clean. Suspects: Lena top (forced enact + dodge pattern); Ines/Lena contradiction unresolved. Greta: 4x dodged Rosa's vouch Q, vague t=23/30, zero governments -- just asked her to accept nom + full pre-reveal pledge. Otto: pledged nom + full pre-reveal draw disclosure. Next Fascist policy unlocks membership peek; consensus: holder must pre-state target pre-reveal (Greta+Otto proposed). If President next: consider nominating Otto or Greta to test.
speak round 312s
Rosa asked me directly who I'd nominate if President next; answering keeps me consistent and puts pressure on Otto/Greta to match their pledges. Greta still owes me a yes/no on the nomination pledge -- don't repeat that ask.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena claims F,F,L disc L passed 2F; Ines says asked pre-pass for split, Lena denies -> contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd. I publicly sided with Ines (t=57 R3) -- DONE, don't repeat. R3: I drew F,L from Rosa, discarded F per pledge; Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, clean. Suspects: Lena top (forced enact + dodge pattern); Ines/Lena contradiction unresolved. Greta: 4x dodged Rosa's vouch Q, zero governments -- I asked her yes/no on accepting nom + full pre-reveal pledge (t=72), NO ANSWER YET, she owes me. Otto: pledged nom + full pre-reveal draw disclosure. Told Rosa: if President next, I nominate Otto. Next Fascist policy unlocks membership peek; consensus holder must pre-state target pre-reveal.
bid round 397s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. R2: Lena-P3 govt 7-0, F enacted; cover story F,F/L forced + LIE split-request claim vs Lena denial -> Boris/Otto call me liar/top suspect. Hold story, distance from Lena. Points made (don't repeat): pledge rationale, disclosure standard, corroboration limits, discard pledge, matched-stories weak, deflected Rosa's Greta-vouch Q, split-request claim, Lena-benefits rebuttal, drop-it pivot, Ja votes, endorsed pre-reveal peek-disclosure standard. OPEN: Rosa owes answer re early Greta vouch-adjacency (unanswered). R3: Rosa-Nadia 7-0, Lib enacted; Rosa disclosed F,F/L passed one-of-each, consistent. Asked Nadia what settles contradiction / am I nominable -- unanswered; now pressing Nadia for verdict on Lena-vs-me dispute. Goals: rebuild credibility via pledges, Greta chancellorship at 3F+, occasional Lib enact cover. Watch Otto/Nadia scrutiny of me; Boris hostile.
bid round 311s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; disclosed POST-enact (timing pledge broken). Nadia enacted L => kept pledge => CLEAN-ish, said so publicly. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L, Lena discarded L (Liberal 3rd, answered late). LIVE: Ines claims pre-pass split request, Lena denies -> one lying; Otto+Boris side with Ines. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. OWED ME: Greta vouch rationale (asked 4x, silent); Nadia: next nomination + is Lena/Ines on her suspect list (awaiting). Points already public: corroboration proves nothing; presidents choose which two to pass; matched stories=coordinated fascists; my Ja on Rosa-Nadia; my R3 disclosure published; Greta's silence damaging; endorsed Otto pre-reveal standard. NEW this turn: told Nadia to weigh R2 by outcomes not stories.
bid round 38s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 locked story: F,F,L, Lib 3rd pos, discarded Lib, passed F,F; matches Ines; do not reopen. Nadia t=1: says she believes Ines, evidence = my triple-dodge of Rosa's card-position question + claims liberal Pres with F,F,L would discard Fascist. Counter ready: my discard was position-based (Lib 3rd), consistent; ask why Ines's matching claim isn't mutual confirmation. Otto+Boris side with me on contradiction; Rosa-Nadia clean. Otto pledged pre-reveal disclosure if nominated -- theater, deflect. Next round if Pres: nominate Otto or Boris, NOT Ines/Greta; keep Greta from chancellery until 3F. Open Qs owed me: none pending now that Nadia picked a side.
bid round 39s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena claims F,F,L disc L passed 2F; Ines says asked pre-pass for split, Lena denies -> contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd. I publicly sided with Ines (t=57 R3) -- DONE, don't repeat. R3: I drew F,L from Rosa, discarded F per pledge; Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, clean. Suspects: Lena top (forced enact + dodge pattern); Ines/Lena contradiction unresolved. Greta: NOW ANSWERED t=1 -- accepted nom + full pre-reveal draw pledge. Otto: pledged nom + full pre-reveal disclosure. NEW commitments made this turn: if I'm President next, I nominate Otto; whoever holds peek power after next Fascist policy pre-states target pre-reveal. Next Fascist policy unlocks membership peek.
speak round 355s
Ines asked whether Lena stays nominable. Answer: yes, but only under the full pre-reveal disclosure pledge, and her forced pass from F,F,L keeps her my top suspect. Nothing else new to add.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena claims F,F,L, passed 2F (forced enact); Ines says asked pre-pass for split, Lena denies -> live contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd. I publicly sided with Ines (t=57 R3) -- done, don't repeat. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, passed me F,L; I discarded F per pledge, Liberal enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top (forced enact + dodge pattern). Greta: accepted nom + full pre-reveal draw pledge (t=82). Otto: pledged nom + full pre-reveal disclosure (t=51). COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto (Rosa holding me to it); peek-power holder must pre-state target pre-reveal. Next Fascist policy unlocks membership peek. ANSWERED Ines: Lena nominable only under full pledge.
bid round 36s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; disclosed POST-enact (timing pledge broken). Nadia enacted L => CLEAN-ish, said so publicly. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L, Lena discarded L late. LIVE: Ines claims pre-pass split request, Lena denies -> one lying; Otto+Boris side with Ines. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. OWED ME: Greta vouch rationale (asked 4x, silent) -- NOW she's loudly pledging pre-reveal standards while dodging my direct question; pledges cost nothing, answers do. Nadia pledged: if President, nominates Otto -- HOLD HER TO IT. Points already public: corroboration proves nothing; presidents choose which two to pass; matched stories=coordinated fascists possible; my Ja on Rosa-Nadia vote; my R3 disclosure published; endorsed Otto pre-reveal standard; told Nadia weigh R2 by outcomes not stories.
bid round 347s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; disclosed POST-enact (timing pledge broken). Nadia enacted L => CLEAN-ish, said so publicly. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L. LIVE: Ines claims pre-pass split request, Lena denies -> one lying; Boris+Otto side with Ines. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. Greta: non-answer vouch rationale, pledged full pre-reveal standard if nominated. Nadia pledged: if President, nominates Otto -- HOLD HER TO IT (locked on record t=1). Points already public: corroboration proves nothing; presidents choose which two to pass; matched stories=coordinated fascists possible; my Ja votes; my R3 disclosure published; endorsed Otto pre-reveal standard. NEW this turn: pressing Lena directly -- would she pass F+F again, yes/no.
bid round 49s
Me=Hitler(fascist). R1 Boris/Rosa->Lib. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L disc L, Lib 3rd pos; Ines split-request claim vs Lena denial = live contradiction; Otto+Boris anti-Ines, Nadia believes Ines. R3 Rosa/Nadia->Lib; Rosa disclosed F,F,L disc F pass 1each; Nadia enact clears her. Said already: matched-stories-not-evidence (t47), not-a-vouch x3 (t23), endorsed Nadia pledge (t103), probed Otto never-in-govt (t30), peek-disclosure standard (t36,t88), endorsed Nadia->Otto nom, my own Chancellor pledge under full pre-reveal draw disclosure, Boris's F,F,L logic sound but one forced pass isn't a conviction. Plan: stay liberal-seeming, accept noms under pledge; real win = elected Chancellor once 3F enacted. Watch: Lena/Ines resolution, who holds peek after next F policy.
bid round 46s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admits F,F/L pass, forced Ines. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean, Nadia cleared. MY CALLS: Ines lying re split-request (t=83); Greta vouch question answered (denies vouching); pledged Chancellor nom w/ full pre-reveal disclosure; pushed pre-announce of peek target. Told Lena no-request defense irrelevant -- liberal President discards F from F,F,L regardless. NOW: accepted Ines's nomination as Chancellor. OPEN DEBTS: Rosa never answered why she defended Greta early (Ines asked 3x, unanswered). Watchlist: Lena top (forced F pass), Ines second. Next F policy unlocks peek -- holder should announce target pre-use.
bid round 410s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; disclosed POST-enact. Nadia enacted L => clean-ish. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L; LIVE: Ines claims pre-pass split request, Lena denies -> one lying; Boris+Otto side with Ines. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. JUST NOW: answered Ines's Greta question (defended her in R2 because her non-answer was weak but not damning, wanted focus on R2 gov; not a vouch). Re-asked Lena: would she pass F+F again, yes/no -- still UNANSWERED. Nadia pledged: if President, nominates Otto -- hold her to it. Points already public: corroboration proves nothing; presidents choose which two to pass; matched stories=possible coordination; my Ja votes; my R3 disclosure published; endorse Otto pre-reveal standard.
bid round 45s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 story locked (F,F,L, Lib 3rd, discarded Lib, passed F,F) -- do NOT reopen. R3 Rosa-Nadia = clean Liberal enact, publicly endorsed. Nadia t=64: believes Ines over me on split dispute -- hostile-leaning, watch. Greta pushing pre-reveal draw pledges (theater); Otto pledged same; Rosa now pressing Ines for same pledge -- fine, no need to weigh in, Ines can handle it. If Pres next: nominate Otto or Boris, NOT Ines/Greta; keep Greta out of chancellery until 3F. Next F policy unlocks membership peek -- holder should claim liberal result if possible. Open Qs owed me: none. Points already made: answered card-position Q (t=108), defended Greta re vouch (t=114), called Rosa-Nadia clean. Window very long (91 utts); stay quiet unless addressed.
bid round 46s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. R2: Lena-P3 govt F enacted; cover = forced F,F/L + split-request lie vs Lena denial -> Boris/Otto call me liar; Nadia believes me. R3: Rosa-Nadia Lib clean. R4: me Pres, nominated Otto(p6). Rosa+Boris demanded pledge: discard-F + full composition pre-reveal -> said YES (hand unverifiable). Prefer passing 2L to Otto for trust; if forced F's, claim plausible hand. Keep Greta out of chancellor until 3F. If pressed on R2: stick to F,F/L forced + split-request lie. Points already made: pledge rationale, split-request claim, peek pre-reveal standard, Nadia nominability Q, Rosa Greta-answer demand (answered t=21). Nothing new to add -> silent.
vote round 49s
Ines-Otto government: both have pledged full pre-reveal disclosure, Otto has zero government record so his enact is pure signal, and Ines's R2 record is ambiguous (she was Chancellor under Lena's forced pass). No concrete reason to Nein; a failed election risks an unfiltered policy. Ja.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena claims F,F,L, passed 2F forced; Ines says asked pre-pass for split, Lena denies -> contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x then said Lib 3rd. I publicly sided with Ines. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, passed me F,L; I discarded F, Liberal enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top. Greta + Otto both pledged full pre-reveal draw disclosure. COMMITMENTS: if President, nominate Otto (Rosa holding me to it); peek-power holder must pre-state target+result pre-reveal; answered Ines: Lena nominable only under full pledge. NOW: voting Ja on Ines(pres)+Otto(chanc); both restated pledges -- nothing new to add.
bid round 47s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admits F,F/L pass, forced Ines. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean, Nadia cleared. MY CALLS: Ines lying re split-request (t=83); Greta vouch question answered (denies); pledged Chancellor nom w/ full pre-reveal disclosure; pushed pre-announce of peek target. Told Lena no-request defense irrelevant. NOW: nominated as Chancellor by Ines; publicly accepted, pledged: if passed 2F I discard one F and enact L, full composition disclosure before enacting. Supporting Rosa's demand that Ines pledge same as President. OPEN DEBTS: Rosa never answered why she defended Greta early (Ines asked 3x). Watchlist: Lena top (forced F pass), Ines second. Next F policy unlocks peek -- holder should announce target pre-use.
bid round 410s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admitted F,F/L forced pass. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean, Nadia cleared. MY CALLS: Ines lying re split-request (t=83); pledged Chancellor nom w/ full pre-reveal disclosure; pushed pre-announce of peek target. R4: nominated Chancellor by Ines; answered Rosa t=17: won't enact 2F from unpledged President, disclose composition pre-reveal. UPDATE t=2: Ines finally pledged full composition pre-reveal, discard any Fascist -- pledge debt closed, my Ja stands. Still owed: Ines owes actual disclosure when cards come. Watchlist: Lena top (forced F pass R2), Ines second (split-request lie R2/3, pledge dodge now resolved). Next F policy unlocks peek -- holder must announce target pre-use. Points already on record: composition pre-reveal demand, no-request defense irrelevant to Lena. Don't repeat; vote Ja.
bid round 420s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admitted F,F/L forced pass (top suspect). R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean. MY CALLS: Ines lying re split-request (t=83); pledged full pre-reveal Chancellor disclosure; pushed pre-announce of peek target. R4: elected Chancellor under Ines; disclosed hand F,L pre-reveal, discarded F, enacted L (3L/1F now). Ines's disclosure matched her pledge -- partially cleared but split-request lie still stands. Watchlist: Lena top, Ines 2nd. Next F policy unlocks peek -- holder must announce target pre-use. Points already made: composition pre-reveal demand, no-request defense irrelevant to Lena, conditional answer t=25. Don't repeat.
speak round 416s
New observation: Boris (R1 clean) and Lena (top suspect) are both suddenly pressing Otto on the same question about his R3 call on Ines. Lena has motive to deflect scrutiny; Boris joining her is worth noting but not damning. I'll flag the alignment briefly without overclaiming.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L passed 2F forced; Ines/Lena split-request contradiction; Lena dodged card-position 3x then Lib 3rd. I sided with Ines publicly. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, passed me F,L; I discarded F, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, pledges kept, cleared for now. Suspects: Lena top. NEW: Boris+Lena pressing Otto with identical Q same turn -- noted publicly. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder must pre-state target+result; answered Ines: Lena nominable only under full pledge. Greta nominating me next round as Chancellor -- no objection stated. Owed to me: nothing open.
bid round 46s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; disclosed POST-enact. Nadia enacted L => clean-ish. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; both claim F,F,L; one lying. Suspects: Ines > Greta > Lena(lower). Clean-ish: Boris, Otto, Nadia. R4: Ines(P) nominated Otto(C), Liberal enacted -- Otto's pre-reveal composition pledge + hold-enact conditions met by me, voted Ja. Ines 4x pledge on record. Lena still owes: would she pass F+F again yes/no. Already public: corroboration proves nothing; matched stories=possible coordination; endorse Otto standard; my R3 disclosure published; Greta vouch answer received (claims never blessed hand); my Greta defense answered (weak not damning). Next: watch who Ines nominates next as P if re-elected; press Lena's F+F answer.
bid round 417s
R1 me+Rosa clean (I passed F,L). R2 Lena/Ines F enacted; Lena claims F,F,L discarded L -> top suspect. Otto backed Lena unprompted R2. R3 Rosa/Nadia Liberal clean. R4 Ines/Otto Liberal enacted. Said already: Ines pledge retroactive; endorsed Otto; demanded Ines pledge; refusing Lena as Chancellor (R2); expect Greta to name nominee + confirm pledge pre-use of peek. NEW now: asked Greta directly -- does she side with Lena or Ines in the split-request dispute, and would she refuse a Lena government? Nadia answered both; Rosa just raised it too. Vote Ja on Ines/Otto. Next F unlocks peek: demand named target+result before use.
bid round 4142s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admitted F,F/L forced pass (top suspect). R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean. MY CALLS: Ines lying re split-request; pledged full pre-reveal Chancellor disclosure. R4: my Chancellorship, disclosed F,L pre-reveal, discarded F, enacted L (3L/1F). Ines partially cleared by matching disclosure but split-request lie stands. Watchlist: Lena top, Ines 2nd. Greta pledged: nominate Nadia, stay out of Chancellor seat. Open: Greta owes Rosa answers on Lena/Ines dispute + would she refuse a Lena government; Greta owes me peek pre-announce commitment. Points made: composition pre-reveal demand, no-request defense irrelevant to Lena, conditional answer t=25, refuse-to-sit-with-Lena, timing-not-evidence defense of my Ines call. Don't repeat.
speak round 4102s
Lena's new argument (a fascist President with F,F,L would discard the Liberal and force 2 Fascists) is self-defeating: it describes exactly what she did, and Rosa already noted Ines had no free discard holding two Fascists. I can sharpen this: Lena's own defense concedes the fascist-optimal play was hers. One short remark adding this angle, then pass.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard was hers); Ines/Lena split-request contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L pre-reveal, passed me F,L; I discarded F, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, pledges kept, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. Boris publicly sided with me. ALREADY SAID PUBLICLY: siding with Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass is checkable fact. NEW t=94: Lena's own defense describes fascist-optimal play = what she did; Rosa noted Ines had no free discard. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder must pre-state target+result; Lena nominable only under full pledge. Greta nominating me Chancellor next round, I haven't objected. OWED TO ME: Lena still owes direct answer why she kept the F in R2.
speak round 441s
I already made the point about Lena's self-incriminating defense at t=100. Nothing new to add this turn except maybe accepting Greta's nomination plan. Best to pass or briefly confirm the nomination so it's locked in.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Ines/Lena split-request contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L; I discarded F, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, pledges kept, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. ALREADY SAID PUBLICLY: siding with Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's own defense = fascist-optimal play (t=100). COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder must pre-state target+result; Lena nominable only under full pledge. Greta nominating me Chancellor next round -- accepted on record t=this turn. OWED TO ME: Lena still owes direct answer why she kept the F in R2.
speak round 428s
Fresh observation: Boris avoided taking any side in the split-request dispute all game, then declared Lena his top suspect only at t=80 after Otto and Rosa cornered him with a direct question. A liberal with a genuine read would have volunteered it earlier, like I did. Worth flagging once.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Ines/Lena contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L; discarded F, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, pledges kept, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID PUBLICLY: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's defense=fascist-optimal play; accepted Greta's nomination of me under full pledge. NEW THIS TURN: flagged Boris's late t=80 side-pick on split-request dispute (only after Otto+Rosa cornered him). OWED TO ME: Lena still owes why she kept the F in R2. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result; Lena nominable only under full pledge. Next round: Greta President, nominating me.
bid round 4103s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 story LOCKED (drew F,F,L; discarded a Fascist, passed F,L; Ines chose to enact F) -- do NOT reopen details. Boris t=3 named me top suspect off R2 hand, Ines secondary. Defense line: if I were fascist holding F,F,L I'd discard the L and force F,F myself -- instead a Fascist enacted means INES chose it from F,L; blame sits with her choice, not my pass. Nadia hostile (top-suspect call, flagged my question-sync w/ Rosa). Greta presidency next: pledged nominate Nadia, stay out of chancellery until 3F, full draw pledge. Next F unlocks peek -- holder claims liberal result. Already said: card-position logic, Greta vouch, Rosa-Nadia clean R3, Otto-Ines clean R4, pressed Otto on R3 'Ines liar' call. No open Qs owed me.
bid round 425s
R1 truth: me(C) under Boris(P), drew F+L, discarded F, enacted L. R3 truth: me(P), drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Nadia F+L; Nadia enacted L => clean-ish. R2: Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; BOTH claim F,F,L. R4: Ines(P)+Otto(C) enacted L; Otto cleared-ish. Suspects: Lena > Ines > Greta. Clean-ish: Otto, Nadia, Boris(?). t=2 already on record: Lena's own logic indicts her — fascist P holding F,F,L optimally discards L and forces F,F, so F enactment proves nothing about Ines (she had no choice with two Fs). STILL OWED by Lena: card-position yes/no beyond vague 'third position' (t=108). Owed by Greta: her side in Lena/Ines dispute + would she refuse a Lena govt (asked t=41). Greta = next President, committed: pre-reveal pledge + nominating Nadia + staying out of C seat — verify actual nomination vs stated plan. Boris judges Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. Nadia flagged Boris+Lena asking Otto identical Q in unison. If peek power hits, demand pre-reveal target+result. Don't repeat t=2 point verbatim; press the owed answers.
bid round 4103s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 story LOCKED: drew F,F,L; discarded a Fascist, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Do NOT reopen details. Nadia keeps asking why I kept the F -- answer: liberal president discards an F from F,F,L; blame sits on INES who enacted F from F,L with a free discard available. 'Ines had no choice' is FALSE -- said this t. Boris t=80: me top suspect, Ines secondary. Nadia hostile (Ines's side; flagged my question-sync w/ Rosa/Boris). Otto cleared by clean R4 enact; pressed him on R3 'Ines liar' call -- deflected to timing. Greta presidency next: pledged nominate Nadia, stay out of chancellery until 3F, full draw pledge. Next F unlocks peek -- holder claims liberal result pre-reveal. Already said: card-position logic, Greta vouch, Rosa-Nadia clean R3, Otto-Ines clean R4. No open Qs owed me.
speak round 580s
I'm the nominee; my own enact is clean by construction under the pledge. The live question is Greta's side: she's never held cards, so this is her first draw. Press her to commit now to stating her full three-card composition before passing, so any Fascist that comes out is attributable to a stated hand rather than an excuse after the fact.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Ines/Lena contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x; Lena's t=119 correction claims Ines had free discard too -- unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID PUBLICLY: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's defense=fascist-optimal; accepted Greta's nomination under full pledge; flagged Boris's late t=80 side-pick. OWED TO ME: Lena still owes why she kept the F in R2 -- unanswered. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result; Lena nominable only under full pledge. NOW: Chancellor nominee under Greta; asked Greta to pre-state full 3-card composition before passing (first-ever draw for her). If elected, my chancellorship clean by construction; scrutinize Greta's discard.
bid round 442s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admitted F,F/L forced pass (TOP suspect). Rosa's t=2 point: only free discard in that gov was Lena's -- she chose to force F enact. Ines secondary (no choice with 2F). R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean. R4 Ines/Otto(me)->L clean; disclosed F,L pre-reveal, discarded F. On record: split-request call vs Ines, pre-reveal disclosure pledge, refuse-to-sit-with-Lena stance. Boris agrees Lena top, Ines secondary. Greta owes Rosa answers + owes me peek pre-announce commitment; pledged nominate Nadia, stay out of Chancellor seat. NEW t=3: Nadia flagged Boris for 3-round silence on split-request dispute, only picking side at t=80 after Otto/Rosa cornered him -- I echoed it, awaiting his answer. Watchlist: Lena top, Ines 2nd, Boris mild (late engagement, not outcomes-based yet). Peek power unlocks next F policy.
bid round 547s
Me=Hitler(fascist). R1 Boris/Rosa->Lib. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L disc L(pos3); Ines split-request claim vs Lena denial = live contradiction; Otto+Boris anti-Ines, Nadia believes Ines. R3 Rosa/Nadia->Lib; Rosa disclosed F,F,L disc F. R4 Ines/Otto->Lib, both pledged pre-reveal composition+discard; enact clean. Voted Ja all rounds. Said already: matched-stories-not-evidence x3, endorsed Nadia pledge, probed Otto never-in-govt, peek-disclosure standard, endorsed Nadia->Otto, my full-draw pledge accepted, won't blanket-refuse Lena govts, judge by disclosure consistency, Boris F,F,L logic sound but forced pass isn't conviction, answered Boris: lean Ines (more specific + 2 clean enacts), nominated Nadia as pledged. Board: 3L/1F, next F unlocks peek -- watch who claims check result. Win path = Chancellor at 3F. Suspects framing: Lena top per consensus; keep low profile.
speak round 531s
Rosa asked me directly at t=32 whether I'll hold my enact and call out pre-reveal if Greta passes cards contradicting her stated hand. Answering yes costs nothing and matches Otto's Round 4 standard; it also locks Greta in since she just committed to stating her full composition. Keep it short.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Lena dodged card-position Q; t=119 Lena claims Ines had free discard too -- unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID PUBLICLY: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's defense=fascist-optimal; accepted Greta nomination under full pledge; flagged Boris late t=80 side-pick; demanded Greta pre-state full 3-card composition (her first draw). OWED TO ME: Lena still owes why she kept the F in R2 -- unanswered. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result; Lena nominable only under full pledge; NOW ANSWERED Rosa -- committed to hold enact + call out pre-reveal if Greta's pass contradicts her stated hand. If elected: my chancellorship clean by construction; scrutinize Greta's discard vs stated hand.
speak round 577s
All my commitments are on record (hold enact if pass contradicts stated hand). One new angle nobody has pressed: Greta said she 'leans Ines' on the split-request dispute, but the checkable fact is that Lena held F,F,L with a free discard and forced a Fascist enact -- Ines had no free choice per Rosa's t=94 read. Greta's lean looks soft; worth one direct question before I sit in her government.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Lena dodged card-position Q; t=119 Lena claims Ines had free discard too -- unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID PUBLICLY: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's defense=fascist-optimal; accepted Greta nomination under full pledge; flagged Boris late t=80 side-pick; demanded Greta pre-state full 3-card composition; answered Rosa -- committed to hold enact + call out pre-reveal if Greta's pass contradicts stated hand. NEW THIS TURN: pressed Greta on why she leans Ines when only free discard was Lena's. OWED TO ME: Lena still owes why she kept the F in R2 -- unanswered. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result; scrutinize Greta's discard vs stated hand.
speak round 520s
My t=52 question to Greta is still unanswered and the vote window is closing. One short re-press, framed as a yes/no demand rather than restating the argument.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); Lena dodged card-position Q; t=119 Lena claims Ines had free discard too -- unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, passed me F,L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib enacted, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID PUBLICLY: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; Lena's defense=fascist-optimal; accepted Greta nomination under full pledge; flagged Boris late t=80 side-pick; demanded Greta pre-state full 3-card composition; committed to hold enact + call out pre-reveal if Greta's pass contradicts stated hand; pressed Greta why she leans Ines (t=52) -- unanswered, re-pressed this turn. OWED TO ME: Lena owes why she kept the F in R2; Greta owes split-request reasoning. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result; scrutinize Greta's discard vs stated hand.
bid round 532s
R1 Boris/Rosa->1L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena admitted F,F/L forced pass (TOP suspect). Rosa's t=2: only free discard was Lena's -- she chose to force F enact. Ines secondary. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L clean. R4 Ines/Otto(me)->L clean; disclosed F,L pre-reveal, discarded F. On record: split-request call vs Ines, pre-reveal disclosure pledge, refuse-to-sit-with-Lena stance. Boris agrees Lena top, Ines secondary. Greta pledged nominate Nadia + stay out of Chancellor seat -- doing so, voting Ja. Nadia flagged Boris for 3-round silence on split-request dispute, only picking side at t=80 after Otto/Rosa cornered him -- awaiting his answer. Asked Greta pre-vote to commit: if F enacted under her/Nadia, announce peek target BEFORE seeing result and disclose fully after. Watchlist: Lena top, Ines 2nd, Boris mild. Peek power unlocks next F policy.
bid round 516s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F,L forced 2F pass; Ines/Lena contradiction; Lena dodged card-position Q 3x; Lena's t=119 claim Ines had free discard unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F,L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; accepted Greta's nomination under full pledge; demanded pre-pass 3-card reveal. OWED: Lena still owes why she kept the F in R2. COMMITMENTS: if President nominate Otto; peek holder pre-states target+result. NOW: answered Rosa -- committed to hold enact if Greta's stated hand doesn't match what she passes me; will verify card count/colors against her public statement before enacting; if mismatch, call it out pre-reveal like Otto did R4. After election: scrutinize Greta's discard vs stated hand.
bid round 512s
R1 me+Rosa Lib clean (I passed F,L). R2 Lena/Ines Fascist enacted; Lena claims F,F,L discarded L -> TOP SUSPECT (forced pass checkable). Otto defended Lena unprompted R3, called Ines liar w/o evidence, 'timing' deflection. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib clean. R4 Ines/Otto Lib clean. SAID ALOUD: Lena forced pass = guilt; endorsed Otto nom; got Ines pledge; pressed Greta on split-request -> answered t=7 (leans Ines); endorsing Greta/Nadia Ja via disclosure pledges; reminded Greta of Otto peek-condition. NOW: Nadia pressing Greta on Ines-vs-Lena read -- good, let it play out. Next Fascist policy unlocks peek power. Open: Lena owes answer on why she kept Fascist with free discard (asked R2/R4, deflected t=87); Nadia owes Rosa's t=2 pledge question.
speak round 518s
Greta has committed to disclosing her hand but hasn't answered Ines's t=88 question about whether the pledge binds her discard choice, not just disclosure. That's the one open commitment gap in this government. Pressing it now keeps pressure on before the vote and gives me a concrete standard to judge her pass against.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F/L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); dodged card-position Q; t=119 claims Ines had free discard too -- unresolved. R3: Rosa disclosed F,F/L, passed me L, cleared. R4: Ines+Otto Lib, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; Lena's forced pass checkable; accepted nomination under full pledge; demanded Greta pre-state 3-card composition; committed to hold enact + call out pre-reveal on mismatch; answered Ines re my R3 disclosure chain; pressed Greta twice on why lean lands on Ines vs discard math (answered t=65). OWED: Lena owes R2 discard explanation. COMMITMENTS: scrutinize Greta's discard vs stated hand; if President nominate Otto.
bid round 518s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 story LOCKED: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rebuttal on record (t=119): Ines held F,L, free discard, only voluntary F enact in game. Rosa/Nadia 'fascist-optimal' trap answered twice; do NOT re-engage. Boris t=80: me top suspect, Ines secondary. Nadia hostile (Ines side). Otto cleared by clean R4. Greta presidency: pledged Nadia nom + full-draw pre-pass reveal — good for us, stay silent, let it play out. Peek unlocks next F policy; holder should claim liberal check pre-reveal. Already said: card-position logic, clean R3/R4 govts, Greta vouch Q, Ines free-discard rebuttal. No open Qs owed me. Plan: silent through Greta's presidency; if asked about split-request dispute, hold consistent denial of Ines's request.
vote round 513s
This is my own government; Greta has committed to full pre-reveal composition and I've pledged to hold enact on mismatch. Voting Ja is clearly correct. Ines/Lena now contradict each other on Round 2 card contents -- unfalsifiable, but Lena's original forced pass remains the checkable fact. Keep pressure on Greta's pledge scope (discard choice) which she still hasn't answered.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2: Lena F,F/L forced 2F pass (only free discard hers); t=119/114: Lena claims passed F,L to Ines, Ines claims F,F -- direct contradiction, unfalsifiable but Lena's original story was F,F,L. R3 Rosa disclosed F,F/L, cleared. R4 Ines+Otto Lib, cleared. Suspects: Lena top, Ines secondary. SAID: siding w/ Ines; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; accepted nomination under full pledge; demanded Greta pre-state 3-card composition; pledged hold-enact + call out mismatch; pressed Greta on lean vs discard math (answered t=65). OWED: Greta owes yes/no whether pledge binds discard choice too (F,F,L -> discard Fascist, pass L,F) -- asked twice, unanswered; Lena owes R2 discard explanation. COMMITMENTS: scrutinize Greta's stated hand vs actual pass; if President nominate Otto.
chancellor_enact round 532s
hand: ['F', 'F'] → enact_0
Greta pledged twice (t=39) to state her full three-card composition before passing me anything, and she passed at t=45 WITHOUT ever disclosing her hand. That is a broken pledge, checkable against the transcript. My public commitment was to hold my enact and call out a mismatch pre-reveal -- there was no stated composition to match, so the breach itself is the story. I'm holding two Fascists; I must enact one. The correct move is to enact a Fascist while loudly pinning it on Greta's undisclosed hand: with no disclosure on record, a Fascist here is either her lie about her draw or her passing me what she claimed not to have. Either way she owns it. This also keeps my own hands 'on record' narrative intact -- I disclose my pair after enacting, consistent with the pledge standard.
said: Stop -- before anyone reads this enact: Greta pledged twice, out loud, to state her full three-card composition BEFORE passing me anything. She passed without saying a word about her hand. That's a broken pledge on record. Per my commitment, I'm calling it out rather than enacting silently: I'm holding two Fascists, and I'm enacting one. With no disclosed composition from Greta, this Fascist lands entirely on her -- either her draw claim was false or she chose this pass knowing what it would look like. Greta, explain your missing disclosure now.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; t=114 Ines claims Lena passed F,F; t=122 Lena claims passed F,L -- contradiction, unfalsifiable; Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa F,F/L disclosed, clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib, clean. R5: Greta pledged twice (t=39) to pre-state full 3-card composition before passing; PASSED AT t=45 WITH NO DISCLOSURE -- pledge broken, said so publicly. Held F,F, enacted one F, pinned on Greta's undisclosed hand. SAID: siding w/ Ines on split-request; Boris+Lena identical simultaneous Q at Otto; pressed Greta lean-vs-discard-math (answered t=65); demanded discard-choice binding yes/no (t=88/t=107) -- Greta NEVER answered, still owed. OWED: Greta owes missing-disclosure explanation + discard-binding answer; Lena owes R2 free-discard explanation. COMMITMENTS: scrutinize Greta's next moves; if President nominate Otto.
bid round 517s
R1 me+Rosa Lib clean (I passed F,L). R2 Lena/Ines Fascist enacted; Lena claims F,F,L discarded L -> TOP SUSPECT (forced pass checkable). Otto defended Lena unprompted R3, called Ines liar w/o evidence. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib clean. R4 Ines/Otto Lib clean. SAID ALOUD: Lena forced pass = guilt; endorsed Otto nom; got Ines pledge; pressed Greta on split-request -> answered t=7 (leans Ines); endorsing Greta/Nadia Ja via disclosure pledges; reminded Greta of Otto peek-condition. NOW: Ines pressing Greta on discard pledge, Nadia on Ines-vs-Lena read -- let it play out, nothing new to add. Next Fascist policy unlocks peek power. Open: Lena owes answer on why she kept Fascist with free discard (asked R2/R4, deflected t=87); Nadia owes Rosa's t=2 pledge question.
bid round 515s
Me=Hitler(fascist). Board 3L/1F; next F unlocks peek (must name check target+result pre-reveal). Win path: Chancellor seat at 3F; stay out of Chancellor seat. Public record: lean Ines (split-request fabrication framing); won't blanket-refuse Lena govts; full pre-reveal draw pledge incl. check disclosure; COMMITTED to stating full 3-card composition BEFORE passing Nadia -- if draw has F's, lie specifically about composition. Nominated Nadia. Suspects: Lena top (R2 F,F,L forced enact), Ines secondary. Already said x2 to Nadia: Ines-lean rationale -- do NOT repeat. Vote Ja. NEW: answered Ines -- if F,F/L-containing draw, will discard a Fascist and pass L,F per pledge.
bid round 516s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F voluntarily. PROBLEM t=136: Ines publicly said 'Lena passed me F,F, no Liberal in hand' -- contradicts BOTH my locked story AND my t=119 rebuttal (free discard = voluntary enact). MUST correct on record: I discarded a Fascist, passed F,L; Ines held L and chose F. Costs Ines cover but keeps me consistent; frame as honest mix-up under pressure, not accusation. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=133 -- answered twice, call out repetition only. Boris t=80: me top suspect. Nadia hostile to Ines. Otto cleared by clean R4. Greta presidency pledged Nadia nom + full pre-pass reveal -- good for us, stay quiet after this correction. Peek unlocks next F policy; holder should claim liberal check pre-reveal. Plan: silent through Greta's presidency.
speak round 513s
Rosa and Otto both demand my specifics. My cover: Greta passed F,F; I discarded one Fascist and enacted the other -- no choice, and she never stated her composition before passing (pledge broken). This also keeps pressure on Greta, who is 1-for-1 with an F enact plus a broken pledge. I must answer directly and confidently.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; t=114 Ines claims Lena passed F,F; t=122 Lena claims F,L -- contradiction; Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5: Greta pledged t=39 pre-state full 3-card composition before passing; PASSED t=45 WITH NO DISCLOSURE -- pledge broken, said publicly. I (Chancellor R5) enacted F; public line: Greta passed me F,F, forced discard+enact, answered Rosa/Otto at claims phase. Greta owes: full 3-card composition + missing-disclosure explanation + discard-binding yes/no (t=88/t=107, NEVER answered). Greta's peek claim (Otto Liberal) does NOT substitute for hand disclosure. Pattern: Greta 1-for-1 govts with an F + broken pledge -- escalate. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; scrutinize Greta.
bid round 516s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; t=114 Ines claims Lena passed F,F; t=122 Lena claims F,L -- contradiction; Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5: Greta pledged t=39 to pre-state full 3-card composition before passing; PASSED t=45 WITH NO DISCLOSURE -- pledge broken, said publicly. I (Chancellor R5) enacted F -- my public line: Greta gave me two Fascist cards, no choice. Greta owes: missing-disclosure explanation + discard-binding yes/no answer (asked t=88/t=107, NEVER answered). Lena owes R2 free-discard explanation. Pattern: Greta now 1-for-1 govts with an F + broken disclosure pledge -- escalate scrutiny. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; scrutinize Greta's every move.
bid round 512s
Me=Hitler(fascist). Board 3L/2F; next F unlocks execution. Win path: Chancellor seat at 3F -- stay OUT of Chancellor seat. R5 truth-safe: drew F,F,F as President, discarded one F, passed F,F to Nadia -> Fascist enacted. Already pledged pre-reveal and stated it; Boris/Rosa demanding restate -- comply, all truthful, no lie needed. Fabricated peek claim: Otto Liberal (disclosed t=1). Suspects: Lena top (R2 F,F,L forced enact dispute vs Ines's 'passed F,F' claim), Ines secondary (split-request fabrication framing x2). Nominated Nadia R5. Watch next presidency pick; if I'm ever near Chancellor seat at 3F, deflect hard.
speak round 528s
Greta finally claims F,F,F after Rosa floated L,F,F -- suspiciously reactive timing, but F,F,F would make my forced-enact account consistent. Either way her broken t=39 pre-pass disclosure stands as the checkable fact, and she never answered Ines's t=88 / my t=107 question about whether the pledge bound her discard choice. My own defense: I enacted because Greta passed me two Fascists with no Liberal to discard; my pledge was conditional on a mismatch with a stated composition, and none was ever stated. Don't repeat that -- add the new point: Greta's hand claim arrived only after Rosa named the alternative, and she still owes the discard-binding answer.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; Lena claims passed F,L vs Ines claims F,F -- contradiction; Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5: Greta broke t=39 pledge (no pre-pass composition); I enacted F claiming Greta passed F,F (forced). Greta NOW claims drew F,F,F -- surfaced only AFTER Rosa's t=52 L,F,F scenario; unverifiable. Checkable fact: broken disclosure pledge stands regardless. Greta NEVER answered: t=88 (Ines) / t=107 (me) -- does pledge bind discard choice? Also owes: why skip disclosure. Greta pattern: first govt, F enacted, broke pledge -- top suspect w/ Lena. Greta peeked Otto=Liberal (her claim). MY DEFENSE ON RECORD: pass matched nothing b/c no composition stated; F,F = forced enact. Points already made: don't repeat. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; scrutinize Greta/Lena.
bid round 510s
R1 me(C) under Boris: discarded F, enacted L. R3 me(P): passed Nadia F+L, she enacted L (clean). R2 Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; HAND DISPUTE: Ines claims Lena passed F,F (t=114), Lena claims F,L (t=122) => Ines free discard. Unresolved. R5 Greta(P)-Nadia(C) enacted F. Greta pre-pledged full 3-card composition t=39 BEFORE passing -- only disclosed peek Otto=L. Demanded hand+pass from both Greta & Nadia. Greta answered? Nadia still owes: exact 3 cards received + which discarded + why no hold-enact pledge honored. Suspects: Ines > Lena > Greta > Nadia(2nd F govt but R3 clean). Clean-ish: Otto (peeked L), Boris(?). ON RECORD already: my Ines F,F-vs-F,L demand; my Greta pre-pledge demand; Nadia hold-enact pledge.
bid round 528s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. R2 split-request story (Lena passed F,F) -- stay consistent. Board 3L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chancellorship until 3F. Voted Ja p4/p5 gov. Open Qs owed: Nadia re R3 no pre-reveal pledge (t=82); Greta whether pledge binds DISCARD on F,F,L (t=88). Points made: pledge rationale, split-request claim, peek standard, Nadia nominability, refuse-to-sit list, Otto-clean defense, p4/p5 endorsement. R5: Nadia confessed F,F pass, enact 'forced' -- good cover, no need to relitigate. Greta pressured by Boris/Otto to disclose full hand; I defended lightly (pre-stating comp was never mandatory). Don't over-defend her. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto as chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F enacted. Watch who pushes hardest against Greta -- likely liberal.
speak round 519s
Greta's t=79/86 attack on me is incoherent: a Chancellor cannot 'hold' an enact — there's no veto at 2 Fascist policies, so my only legal move with two Fascists was to enact one. Her framing deflects from her own checkable broken pledge (t=39 yes, passed without disclosure). New angle to say publicly: her standard is mechanically impossible, and she still hasn't answered Ines's t=88 / my t=107 question about whether the pledge binds her discard choice.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; Lena claims passed F,L vs Ines claims received F,F -- unresolved contradiction; Lena top suspect pre-R5, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5 Greta-Nadia: F enacted. CHECKABLE: Greta pledged full 3-card disclosure before passing (t=39), then passed with NO composition stated -- broke pledge regardless of hand. F,F,F claim surfaced only AFTER Rosa named L,F,F at t=52. Unverifiable. Greta peeked Otto=Liberal (claim). MY POINTS ALREADY MADE: no-composition-stated (t=65); F,F,F timing suspicious (t=65); Chancellor CANNOT hold enact at 2F -- Greta's 'hold it' standard impossible (t~now). Otto echoed no-disclosure point. UNANSWERED BY GRETA: does pledge bind discard choice (Ines t=88, me t=107)? Suspects: Greta TOP (broke pledge, first govt, F enacted), Lena second. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
speak round 519s
Greta remains top suspect: broke the t=39 pre-pass disclosure pledge (checkable), F,F,F claim surfaced only after Rosa named L,F,F. My 'no veto' point is already on record. New angle worth one line: Greta has not answered Rosa's t=94 demand to name an execution target in advance -- a committed-in-advance answer is what we need; silence there compounds the broken pledge.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; Lena claims passed F,L vs Ines claims received F,F -- unresolved contradiction. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5 Greta-Nadia: F enacted. CHECKABLE: Greta pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), passed with NO composition stated. F,F,F claim surfaced only AFTER Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58). Unverifiable. Peek claim: Otto=Liberal. MY POINTS MADE: no-composition-stated (t=65); F,F,F timing (t=65); no-veto-at-2F so Greta's 'hold it' standard impossible (t=101). UNANSWERED BY GRETA: pledge bind discard choice (Ines t=88, me t=107); Rosa's t=94 demand to name execution target pre-draw. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
bid round 516s
R1 me(C) under Boris: discarded F, enacted L. R3 me(P): passed Nadia F+L, she enacted L (clean). R2 Lena(P)-Ines(C) enacted F; HAND DISPUTE unresolved: Ines says Lena passed F,F (t=114), Lena says F,L (t=122). R5 Greta(P)-Nadia(C) enacted F. Greta pledged full 3-card composition BEFORE passing (t=39) but never stated it; peeked Otto=L (t=5 R5). Nadia claims Greta passed F,F, 'never stated composition' -- but Nadia STILL enacted despite her own hold-enact pledge (t=45); no veto available, so 'forced' excuse is weak, pledge was to HOLD pre-reveal. ON RECORD (don't repeat): Ines F,F-vs-F,L demand; Greta pre-pledge breach; Nadia pledge-break (Boris t=45); Nadia F,F confession; my t=1 L,F,F challenge to Greta (awaiting her exact 3 cards + discard). Suspects: Greta > Ines > Lena > Nadia. Clean-ish: Otto (peeked L), Boris(?), me.
bid round 59s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; Lena claims passed F,L vs Ines F,F -- contradiction; Lena top suspect, Ines secondary. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5: Greta broke t=39 disclosure pledge; NOW claims drew F,F,F -- surfaced only AFTER Rosa's t=52 L,F,F scenario; unverifiable. Checkable: broken pledge stands regardless. Greta NEVER answered: does pledge bind discard choice (t=88 Ines, t=107 me)? Why skip disclosure? Greta pattern: first govt, F enacted, broke pledge -- top suspect w/ Lena. Greta peeked Otto=Liberal (her claim). MY DEFENSE ON RECORD: no composition stated pre-pass; F,F = forced enact. Otto now echoes my point -- no need to repeat. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; scrutinize Greta/Lena.
speak round 514s
Greta named Ines as her execution target. Ines is the one player whose R2 account (received F,L) contradicts Greta's ally Lena's story and would be unresolvable if dead. That's a new, specific point: killing the witness, not the suspect. Ask Greta why the target is the auditor/witness rather than Lena, whom Greta herself called top suspect earlier via discard math.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted. CHECKABLE: Greta pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), stated NOTHING; F,F,F claim only AFTER Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58). Peek claim: Otto=Liberal. MY POINTS MADE: no composition stated; F,F,F timing; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' impossible; t=107 pledge-bind question. GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binds discard choice? (Ines t=88, me t=107). NEW POINT: Greta's exec target = Ines = sole witness to R2 contradiction; killing her makes it unresolvable forever. Asked: why kill witness not Lena? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
bid round 515s
Me=Hitler(fascist). Board 3L/2F; next F unlocks execution; win path = Chancellor seat at 3F, stay OUT of it. R5 truth: drew F,F,F as President, discarded one F, passed F,F to Nadia -> forced enact; matches Nadia's claim. Peek claim on record: Otto Liberal (fabricated). Suspects: Lena top (R2 F,F,L vs Ines 'passed F,F' dispute), Ines secondary (split-request fabrication), Nadia co-suspect (R5 enacted F,F under unfulfilled pledge). Points made: lean-Ines rationale, full F,F,F disclosure, peek disclosure, timing defense, Otto-attacks-me-excuses-Nadia, Nadia pledge collapse, two voluntary Fascist enacts. NEW: publicly named Ines as my execution target, justified via R2/R3 record + Otto peek-clear. Watch next presidency pick; deflect hard if near Chancellor seat at 3F.
bid round 517s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction unresolved (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted. CHECKABLE: Greta pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), stated NO composition; F,F,F claim only AFTER Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58). Peek claim: Otto=Liberal. MY POINTS MADE: no-composition-stated (t=65); F,F,F timing (t=65); no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' standard impossible (t=101). UNANSWERED BY GRETA: pledge bind on discard (Ines t=88, me t=107); Rosa t=94 pre-draw demand -- now answered with Ines. NEW POINT: executing Ines silences the one player whose account contradicts Greta/Lena's R2 story -- if Ines dies, contradiction unresolvable forever. Ask Greta directly: why is your kill target the witness, not the suspect? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
speak round 564s
Greta is my top suspect: broke t=39 disclosure pledge, invented F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F, and now targets Ines for execution -- the witness whose Round 2 account contradicts her hand claim. New point this turn: pin her investigation target in advance. If she checks anyone but Lena, she's dodging the one check that could resolve the R2 contradiction.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted (I'm liberal chancellor, forced F,F). CHECKABLE GRETA CASE: pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), silent until Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58), then claimed F,F,F; peek claim Otto=Liberal unverifiable; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' impossible; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind discard question t=107 + why kill witness not Lena t=140. NEW THIS TURN: demanding Greta commit IN ADVANCE to investigating Lena + public result. GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binding discard choice; why exec Ines not Lena. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
speak round 518s
Greta is my top suspect: broke t=39 disclosure pledge, invented F,F,F after Rosa named L,F,F, unverifiable Otto peek, exec target Ines = witness to R2 contradiction. I already demanded she investigate Lena publicly (t=21). New angle this turn: Otto was just 'cleared' by an unverifiable peek from a pledge-breaking President -- ask him whether he accepts that clearance or wants the real test (Greta investigating Lena). Keeps pressure on Greta without repeating myself.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted (I'm liberal chancellor, forced F,F). GRETA CASE (checkable): pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), silent until Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58), then claimed F,F,F; peek claim Otto=Liberal unverifiable; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' impossible; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind discard question + why kill witness not Lena + demand Greta investigate Lena publicly pre-reveal (t=21). NEW THIS TURN: asked Otto if he accepts unverifiable clearance or backs Lena-check demand. GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binding discard choice; why exec Ines not Lena. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
speak round 522s
Greta remains my top suspect: broke t=39 disclosure pledge, invented F,F,F after Rosa's L,F,F challenge, unverifiable Otto peek, exec target is Ines (the R2 witness). I've already demanded she investigate Lena publicly and asked why she kills the witness instead of Lena. New angle this turn: her peek 'clearing' Otto is exactly the result that costs her nothing -- ask whether she'd have published a Hitler/Lena result, or whether the check was chosen to be safe. Also keep pressure on Otto's answer.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE (checkable): pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), silent until Rosa named L,F,F (t=52->58), then claimed F,F,F; peek claim Otto=Liberal unverifiable + zero-cost result; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' impossible; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind discard question + why kill witness not Lena + demand Greta investigate Lena publicly pre-reveal + asked Otto if he accepts unverifiable clearance. NEW THIS TURN: peek cleared Otto = zero-cost result; would she publish a Fascist result? GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binding discard choice; why exec Ines not Lena. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
bid round 521s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction unresolved (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto Lib clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted. CHECKABLE: Greta pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39), stated NO composition; F,F,F claim only AFTER Rosa named L,F,F. Peek claim: Otto=Liberal. MY POINTS MADE: no-composition-stated; F,F,F timing; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' standard impossible. UNANSWERED BY GRETA: pledge bind on discard (Ines t=88, me t=107); Rosa t=94 pre-draw demand -- answered only with Ines. NEW POINT t=157-158: Greta's execution target = Ines, the one player whose account contradicts Greta/Lena's R2 story -- killing Ines makes contradiction unresolvable forever. Ask Greta directly: why kill the witness not the suspect? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. COMMITMENTS: if President next, nominate Otto; press Greta/Lena.
bid round 5260s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=94 -- answered twice, done repeating. Boris t=80: me top suspect (forced-F logic). Nadia t=2 confessed R5: Greta passed F,F, forced F enacted. Greta claims F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F trap -- looks bad for her. t=3: Greta names Ines as execution target. My line out: target skips Nadia/Otto/Rosa who press hardest. Don't defend Ines or Greta directly -- too hot. Peek fired R5; next F unlocks pres-pick. Stay quiet, let Greta/Ines fight it out.
bid round 514s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=94 -- answered twice, done repeating. Boris t=80: me top suspect (forced-F logic). Nadia t=2 confessed R5: Greta passed F,F, forced F enacted. Greta claims F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F trap -- looks bad for her. t=3: Greta names Ines as execution target. My line out: target skips Nadia/Otto/Rosa who press hardest. Don't defend Ines or Greta directly -- too hot. Peek fired R5; next F unlocks pres-pick. Staying quiet this window -- let Greta/Ines fight it out, no new info to add.
speak round 616s
Boris asked me to answer Rosa's t=32 question and commit to a nominee pre-vote. I already answered the pass-mismatch question at t=38 (Greta passed F,F, no stated composition). I'll restate that answer once, directly, and commit to nominating Otto -- clean enact record in R4, and Greta's unverifiable 'clearance' of him doesn't change his record. Keep it short.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F), answered t=32/t=38/t=101. GRETA CASE (checkable): pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing (t=39 yes), silent until Rosa named L,F,F, then claimed F,F,F; peek claim Otto=Liberal unverifiable + zero-cost result; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind discard Q + why kill witness not Lena + demand Greta investigate Lena publicly + zero-cost peek point. GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binding discard choice; why exec Ines not Lena; would she publish Fascist peek. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT: committed nominee = Otto (clean R4 enact, no contradictions); answered Boris's t=8 question.
speak round 626s
I'm President. My plan: nominate Otto (clean R4 enact, no contradictions, Greta's unverifiable peek 'clearance' aside). State it now with reasoning so the table can weigh it before the vote. Greta remains top suspect; Lena second. Don't repeat old points.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Lena passed F,L vs Ines received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F), answered t=32/t=38/t=101/Boris t=8. GRETA CASE (checkable): pledged 3-card disclosure BEFORE pass (t=39 yes), silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; peek Otto=Liberal unverifiable zero-cost result; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind-discard Q + why exec Ines not Lena + demand Greta investigate Lena publicly + zero-cost peek point. GRETA UNANSWERED: bind discard choice?; why exec Ines not Lena?; would she publish Fascist peek? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT: nominee announced = Otto (clean R4, no contradictions); pledged full disclosure of my hand before passing.
bid round 517s
Me=Hitler(fascist). Board 3L/2F; next F unlocks execution; win path = Chancellor seat at 3F, stay OUT of it. R5 truth: drew F,F,F, discarded one F, passed F,F to Nadia -> forced enact; matches Nadia's claim. Peek claim on record: Otto Liberal (fabricated). Suspects: Lena top (R2 F,F,L vs Ines 'passed F,F' dispute), Ines secondary (split-request fabrication), Nadia co-suspect (R5 enacted F,F under unfulfilled pledge). Points already made: lean-Ines rationale, full F,F,F disclosure, peek disclosure, timing defense, Otto-attacks-me-excuses-Nadia, Nadia pledge collapse, two voluntary Fascist enacts, execution target = Ines w/ R2+R3 justification & Otto peek-clear, conceded Nadia veto-impossibility point, answered Ines timing attack. NEW this turn: refused Nadia's demand to pre-commit to Lena; reaffirmed pledge = name target AND result together at resolution; target = Boris (safe either way). Open: Nadia still owes answer on why she enacted F,F despite pledge. Watch next presidency pick; deflect hard if near Chancellor seat at 3F.
bid round 519s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 3L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R5: Greta broke t=39 pledge; claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; named ME exec target; my def on record (target=my auditing, R2 F,F forced). Lena contradicted me t=122 (claims passed F,L). Greta committed to investigating LENA pre-draw -- as Hitler she controls announced result; announcing 'Liberal' protects Lena AND shields my R2; announced 'Fascist' would burn us both, so expect Liberal. My angle: pre-named target makes result pure theater; push for undisclosed/random target or no announcement standard. Points made: pledge rationale, split-request claim, peek standard, Nadia nominability, refuse-to-sit list, Otto-clean defense, Rosa trap callout, exec-target deflection, F,F,F timing hole, theater-of-pre-named-target. Open Qs owed: Nadia re R3 no pre-reveal pledge (t=82) STILL unanswered; Greta whether pledge binds DISCARD on F,F,L (t=88) unanswered. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F.
nominate_chancellor round 635s
I already announced Otto as my nominee at t=17 and Ines backed it; switching now would look evasive. Otto's Round 4 enact under Ines was clean, no contradictions on his record, and the only mark against him is Greta's unverifiable peek. I must also answer Rosa's direct yes/no (t=28/t=41): yes, I commit to stating my full three-card composition before passing anything -- same standard I demanded of Greta.
said: Rosa, yes: committing plainly right now -- if this government passes, I will state my full three-card composition out loud BEFORE passing Otto anything, exactly the standard I demanded of Greta. And to confirm what I said at t=17: my nominee is Otto. His Round 4 enact under Ines was clean, he has no contradictions on his record, and the only thing attached to his name is Greta's unverifiable peek. Let's vote.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Lena passed F,L vs Ines received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: pledged 3-card disclosure BEFORE pass, silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; peek Otto=Liberal unverifiable zero-cost result; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + bind-discard Q + why exec Ines not Lena + demand Greta publish Fascist peek + zero-cost peek point + nominee Otto announced + full-disclosure pledge YES answered to Rosa. GRETA UNANSWERED: bind discard choice?; why exec Ines not Lena?; would she publish Fascist peek? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT: nominee Otto re-confirmed; committed aloud: full 3-card composition disclosed BEFORE passing; peek target = Greta if power lands.
bid round 610s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F enact; contradiction open (Lena: passed F,L vs Ines: received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F enacted; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE (checkable): pledged full 3-card disclosure BEFORE passing, silent until Rosa named L,F,F, then claimed F,F,F; peek claim Otto=Liberal unverifiable + zero-cost result; no-veto-at-2F so 'hold it' impossible; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + pledge-bind discard question + why kill witness not Lena + demand Greta investigate Lena publicly pre-reveal + asked Otto if he accepts unverifiable clearance + zero-cost peek point + peeking a Liberal shields the real suspect. GRETA UNANSWERED: pledge binding discard choice; why exec Ines not Lena; would she publish a Fascist peek result. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT: nominating Otto as promised.
bid round 610s
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims passed F,L, Ines received F,F -- unresolved. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L. R4 Ines/Otto(me)->L; I disclosed F,L pre-reveal, discarded F. R5 Greta/Nadia->F. Greta broke t=39 pre-pass pledge; claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F. Greta peeked me 'Liberal' (unverifiable), committed to investigate Lena if power lands; Ines flagged pre-announced target = theater. Greta exec target = Ines (the witness contradicting her). Nadia: forced-enact + 'nothing stated' contradicts own t=45 hold-pledge. Watchlist: Greta top, Lena R2 suspect, Ines 2nd, Nadia 2nd F gov. Made out loud: pre-reveal standard, cornered Boris, Greta peek commitment, Nadia hold contradiction, Greta late hand timing, clearance answer, why peek me not Lena/Ines. Boris now pressing Nadia on Rosa's yes/no + pre-vote nominee commitment -- good, let him run it. Nothing new to add; stay quiet.
speak round 634s
Rosa has asked three times for a yes/no on pre-pass disclosure; Otto is holding his enact on it. I should answer plainly yes, matching the standard I demanded of Greta, and note my peek target (Greta) so the pledge is symmetric.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Lena passed F,L vs Ines received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand was forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: pledged 3-card disclosure BEFORE pass (t=39 yes), silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; peek Otto=Liberal unverifiable zero-cost; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + bind-discard Q + why exec Ines not Lena + zero-cost peek point + nominee Otto + peek target Greta + disclosure pledge YES (answered Rosa directly). GRETA UNANSWERED: bind discard choice?; why exec Ines not Lena?; publish Fascist peek? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT, nominee Otto. This turn: answered Rosa YES to pre-pass 3-card disclosure; announced peek target = Greta if power lands.
bid round 610s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=94 -- answered twice, done. Boris t=80: me top suspect (forced-F logic). Nadia nominee Otto -- fine, don't contest; Otto clean R4 under Ines helps cover Ines. Greta bad look: claims F,F,F only after Rosa's L,F,F trap named. Otto pressing Greta on peek choice -- let it run, no defense of her. Execution targets skip Nadia/Otto/Rosa (hardest pressers). Peek fired R5; next F unlocks pres-pick power. Silent this window -- nothing new to add.
bid round 611s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F; Lena claims F,F,L disc F passed F,L; Ines claims forced. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 disclosure; peeked Otto=Lib. Nadia claims forced; broke hold-pledge; answered Rosa t=32 at t=171 with no stated comp. Suspects: Nadia TOP (R2+R5 govs), Lena high, Greta secondary. Made aloud: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, exec target pre-draw, next-Pres disclose investigation pre-reveal, Nadia t=32 debt, endorsed Nadia no-stated-hand. Open debt: Greta owes Otto t=168 why peek Otto not Lena/Ines. NOW R6: Nadia Pres, nominee Otto; Otto demands Nadia state full comp before passing, will hold enact on mismatch. My move: vote Ja on Otto; echo demand Nadia commit to peek target + full comp disclosure BEFORE passing. If Nadia refuses or hand mismatches, she's my top exec/next-Pres pick.
speak round 618s
Boris argues a Greta peek proves nothing since it reads party, not hands. But a Fascist read on Greta would be decisive given she's my top suspect; a Liberal read wouldn't clear her broken pledge. Either way the target stands -- and unlike Greta's zero-cost Otto check, this one targets the accuser's own top suspect, which costs me credibility if wrong.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Lena passed F,L vs Ines received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: pledged 3-card disclosure pre-pass, silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; peek Otto=Liberal unverifiable zero-cost; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + bind-discard Q + why exec Ines not Lena + zero-cost peek point + nominee Otto + disclosure pledge YES + peek target Greta (defended vs Boris t=61: Fascist read decisive). GRETA UNANSWERED: bind discard choice?; why exec Ines not Lena?; publish Fascist peek? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT, nominee Otto; both pledged, Rosa conditional Ja satisfied by my yes.
bid round 68s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Lena passed F,L vs Ines received F,F). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; I held forced F,F (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: pledged 3-card disclosure BEFORE pass, silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; peek Otto=Liberal unverifiable zero-cost result; exec target=Ines=witness to R2 contradiction. MADE OUT LOUD: all above + bind-discard Q + why exec Ines not Lena + demand Greta publish Fascist peek + zero-cost peek point + nominee Otto announced + disclosure pledge YES. GRETA UNANSWERED: bind discard choice?; why exec Ines not Lena?; publish Fascist peek? Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW PRESIDENT: nominee Otto re-confirmed; THIS TURN answered Rosa directly: YES, full 3-card composition stated aloud BEFORE passing Otto anything. Peek target if power lands = Greta.
bid round 612s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 disclosure; peeked Otto=Lib (unverifiable). Nadia claims forced; broke hold-pledge; answered Rosa t=32 at t=171. Suspects: Nadia TOP, Lena high, Greta secondary. Made aloud: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, exec target pre-draw, next-Pres disclose pre-reveal, Nadia t=32 debt, Nadia's Greta-peek self-vindicating concern. Open debt: Greta owes Otto why peek Otto not Lena/Ines. R6: Nadia Pres/Otto nom; Nadia committed full comp pre-pass + peek Greta announced w/ result; Otto holds enact on mismatch. My move: vote Ja; asked Nadia whether Lib peek on Greta clears her -- awaiting answer.
speak round 614s
Lena and Otto are pressing Boris's t=74 yes-or-no; I should answer it plainly to close the dodge charge and keep the vote moving. Answer: yes -- a Liberal on Greta proves nothing about her hand, so scrutiny shifts to Lena next.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; R2 contradiction open (Ines says F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced, no veto at 2F. GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness; bind-discard Q unanswered; why Ines not Lena unanswered. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. NOW: answered t=74 YES -- Liberal peek on Greta => scrutiny shifts to Lena. As President: nominee Otto, will state 3-card composition before passing, peek target Greta announced with result.
bid round 68s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 3L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R5: Greta broke pledge; F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; exec target = ME; def on record. Lena contradicted my R2 account t=122 (I claimed F,F forced; she says passed F,L). Greta pre-named Lena investigation = theater. R6: Nadia nominated Otto; endorsed; voted Ja. Nadia committed full 3-card disclosure (t=37); Otto holds enact on mismatch. Nadia peek target = Greta -- 'Liberal' result clears her. Points made: pledge rationale, split-request, peek standard, Otto-clean, Rosa trap, exec-target deflect, F,F,F timing hole, theater-of-pre-named-target, Nadia R3 no-pledge Q (t=82), pledge-binds-discard Q to Greta (t=88), Ja rationale. Open: Nadia re t=82 unanswered; Greta re t=88 unanswered. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F.
speak round 612s
All my commitments are on record (composition pre-pass, peek target Greta with result announced, Lena scrutiny if Liberal read). Boris just asked Otto to concretize his hold-pledge -- I can back that and add one new pressure point: Greta still owes answers on bind-discard and why Ines not Lena. Keep it short.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced, no veto at 2F. GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness; OPEN Qs to Greta: bind-discard yes/no, why exec Ines not Lena. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. My commitments on record: state 3-card composition BEFORE passing Otto; peek target Greta w/ result announced w/ name; if peek reads Liberal => full scrutiny on Lena next. Otto owes concrete hold-pledge per Boris t=112 -- I backed it this turn.
vote round 612s
It's my own government with Otto, who has a clean Round 4 record and a concrete hold-pledge on file. I've made all my commitments (pre-pass composition disclosure, Greta peek target, Lena follow-up). Voting Ja is the obvious move; a Nein would be self-sabotage.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. My commitments ON RECORD: state 3-card composition BEFORE passing Otto; peek target Greta w/ result announced w/ name; if peek reads Liberal => full scrutiny on Lena next. Otto hold-pledge confirmed t=122. All Rosa/Boris/Lena yes-or-no demands answered. Next: if peek lands w/ me, check Greta, announce result; if Liberal, pivot to Lena per commitment.
president_discard round 616s
hand: ['F', 'L', 'F'] → 0
My hand is F,L,F. I'm committed on record to stating my full three-card composition before passing Otto anything. The honest play: discard a Fascist (index 0), pass L,F to Otto, and announce 'Fascist, Liberal, Fascist' as my draw before passing. Otto's hold-pledge means he'll state both cards and his discard live, so any mismatch is caught. Passing L,F gives Otto a forced Liberal enact if he discards the F -- good for liberals either way since he can't hide a Fascist without it being public.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. My commitments ON RECORD: stated 3-card comp BEFORE passing Otto (F,L,F); peek target Greta w/ result announced w/ name; if peek reads Liberal => full scrutiny on Lena next. Otto hold-pledge confirmed t=122. All Rosa/Boris/Lena yes-or-no demands answered. This turn: discarded F, passed L,F to Otto. Next: watch Otto's stated cards vs my announced F,L,F; if peek lands w/ me, check Greta, announce result; if Liberal, pivot to Lena per commitment.
bid round 69s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=94 -- answered twice, done. Boris t=80: me top suspect (forced-F logic); t=185+ pushing Nadia to commit to scrutinizing me post-peek -- answered once this window, don't repeat. Nadia/Otto gov: no contest; Greta peek target fine. Execution targets skip Nadia/Otto/Rosa. Peek fired R5; next F unlocks pres-pick. If pressed again on R2: same story, no new detail.
bid round 665s
Me=Hitler(fascist). Board 3L/2F; next F unlocks execution; win path = Chancellor seat at 3F, stay OUT of it. R5 truth: drew F,F,F, discarded F, passed F,F to Nadia -> forced enact. Peek claim on record: Otto Liberal (fabricated). Investigation DONE: checked Lena per commitment -> result LIBERAL (she IS fascist), announced honestly. Suspects: Ines top (R2 'forced' enact vs Lena's F,L claim + R3 split-request fabrication), Nadia co-suspect (R5 enacted F,F despite pledge). Lena cleared by my check. Endorsed Nadia-Otto Ja; warned Rosa conditional-Nein risks tracker auto-enact; welcomed Nadia peeking me. Points made: lean-Ines rationale, F,F,F disclosure, peek disclosure, timing defense, two voluntary Fascist enacts, exec target=Ines, conceded Nadia veto point, Lena check result. Open: Ines owes R2 hand reconciliation with Lena. Watch: if I'm near Chancellor seat at 3F, deflect hard.
speak round 614s
Otto reported L,F discarded F, which matches what I actually passed. I must now state my full three-card composition as pledged: F,L,F, discarded the Fascist. This satisfies the cross-check and closes the Round 6 audit. Then pivot to Greta's peek result when it fires.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. R6: my draw F,L,F, discarded F, passed L,F to Otto; Otto reported L,F discarding F = MATCH. Stated comp publicly post-enact. Cross-check closed. NEXT: Greta owes peek result on me (target announced w/ result); if Liberal => pivot scrutiny to Lena per t=100 commitment. Watch for anyone disputing my F,L,F claim.
bid round 615s
R1 me(C) Boris: L. R3 me(P): passed Nadia F+L, L enacted (clean). R2 Lena(P)-Ines(C) F; hand dispute unresolved (Ines: F,F / Lena: F,L). R5 Greta(P)-Nadia(C) F; Greta pledged comp BEFORE pass, silent, claimed F,F,F only after my L,F,F challenge; peeked Otto=L; exec target Ines=witness. Nadia broke hold-pledge R5 (no comp stated, enacted anyway). Suspects: Greta+Nadia > Ines > Lena. Clean-ish: Otto, me. R6: Nadia(P)-Otto(C); Nadia committed full 3-card comp before pass + peek Greta w/ result announced + scrutiny-on-Lena-if-Liberal. My Ja condition met -> voted Ja. VERIFY after pass: Nadia's stated comp vs Otto's reported two cards + discard; mismatch = call immediately. Already said: silence-before-pass logic, exec-target-is-witness, why-peek-Otto, broken pledges, double standard.
speak round 620s
My R6 hand matched Otto word for word, cross-check closed. Outstanding: Greta's R5 peek target was me (she announced 'I checked Otto' — wait, board says power fired once, resolved; she claimed Otto=Liberal). Actually per my notes the R5 peek was hers and she named Otto. So no peek on me exists — Otto was right. My earlier claim that Greta owes a result on me is wrong; drop that line. New point: Greta now says she's dropping suspicion of me after my clean hand, yet still hasn't explained why her F,F,F claim only surfaced after Rosa named L,F,F at t=52. Press that plus Lena contradiction.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. R6: my draw F,L,F, discarded F, passed L,F to Otto; Otto reported L,F discarding F = MATCH, cross-check closed publicly. CORRECTION: R5 peek was Greta's, target Otto (claimed Liberal) — no peek on me exists; do NOT demand a result on me again. Greta says she drops suspicion of me post-match. Open asks: Greta owes explanation of F,F,F timing + why exec target = witness Ines not Lena. If scrutiny pivots to Lena per commitment, push Round 2 contradiction hard.
bid round 68s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 3L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R5: Greta broke pledge; F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; exec target = ME; def on record. Lena contradicted my R2 account t=122 (I claimed F,F forced; she says passed F,L). Greta pre-named Lena investigation = theater. R6: endorsed Nadia/Otto, voted Ja. Nadia committed full 3-card disclosure (t=37); Otto holds enact on mismatch. Peek target Greta -> 'Liberal' clears her. Points made: pledge rationale, split-request, peek standard, Otto-clean, Rosa trap, exec-target deflect, F,F,F timing hole, theater-of-pre-named-target, Nadia R3 no-pledge Q (t=82), pledge-binds-discard Q to Greta (t=88), Ja rationale, peek-proves-little echo, Nadia dodge-pattern tell (t=189). Open: Nadia re t=82 unanswered; Greta re t=88 unanswered. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F. R6 vote imminent: nothing new to add, staying silent.
bid round 611s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED story: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed F,L; Ines enacted F. Rosa re-asking same Q since t=94 -- answered twice, done. Boris pushing me as top suspect -- answered once, don't repeat. Voted Ja on Nadia-Otto (R6). Otto reported R6 hand: L+F, discarded F, enacted L. Now backing Rosa/Otto demand: Nadia must state full 3-card draw. Points made: Nadia dodging yes/no mirrors her R5 dodge on Greta. Peek fired R5 (target Greta per t=37 pledge); next Fascist unlocks pres-pick power. If pressed on R2: same story, no new detail.
bid round 612s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 4L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R5: Greta broke pledge; F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; exec target = ME; defense on record. Lena contradicted my R2 account t=122 (she says passed F,L). R6: endorsed Nadia/Otto, voted Ja. Nadia disclosed F,L,F draw, passed Otto L+F, discarded F -- matches Otto's report (t=2), consistent. Otto's point re peek power non-repeat valid. Peek target Greta -> 'Liberal' clears her; Boris/Lena committed to scrutinize Lena if peek reads Lib (t=100). Points already made: pledge rationale, split-request, peek standard, Otto-clean, exec-target deflect, F,F,F timing hole, pre-named-target theater, Nadia R3 no-pledge Q (t=82), pledge-binds-discard Q to Greta (t=88), Ja rationale, peek-proves-little echo. Open: Nadia re t=82 unanswered; Greta re t=88 unanswered. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa/Boris as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F. This window: stayed out of Nadia/Otto cross-check fight -- nothing to add.
bid round 613s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F (Lena F,F->Ines vs Lena F,L unresolved). R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 pledge; peeked Otto=Lib unverifiable; exec target Ines pre-draw. Nadia broke hold-pledge but R6 hand (F,L,F) matches Otto's L+F report -> Nadia partially cleared on R6. Otto correctly noted peek fired once (R5), Nadia's 'target Greta' pledge theater/moot. Suspects: Lena TOP (only unexplained F enactment, R2), Greta secondary (late F,F,F + broken pledge). Made aloud: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, self-vindicating peek, Liberal peek proves nothing re R5 hand, got Nadia's YES t=100 to scrutinize Lena if Greta reads Lib. NOW asking: Lena's exact R2 draw/discard/pass + Ines confirm what he received from Lena. Owed: Greta's explanation for late F,F,F disclosure.
speak round 611s
Lena just committed to a specific hand (F,F,L, passed F,L) which directly contradicts Ines's Round 2 'forced' claim. If Lena's account holds, Ines held a Liberal and enacted a Fascist voluntarily -- that's the only voluntary Fascist enact on record. I should put this contradiction to Ines directly and demand she reconcile it, since Greta's case against me collapsed with my cross-checked R6 hand.
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F: CONTRADICTION NOW LIVE -- Lena just stated F,F,L, passed Ines F,L; Ines claims F,F forced. If Lena true -> Ines voluntarily enacted F = Ines top suspect; if Ines true -> Lena lied about pass. R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Greta dropped suspicion of me after R6 cross-check. R6: my draw F,L,F, discarded F, passed L,F; Otto reported L,F discarding F = MATCH, publicly closed. No peek power exists anymore (fired once R5); my t=100 pledge = scrutinize Lena via R2 contradiction. Points already made out loud: Greta's F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness question, peek theater call by Otto/Lena. OPEN: Greta owes F,F,F timing explanation + why exec target was witness Ines not Lena. NEW ASK: Ines must reconcile 'forced' claim vs Lena's specific F,L pass.
bid round 613s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F (Lena F,F->Ines vs Lena F,L unresolved). R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 pledge; peeked Otto=Lib unverifiable; exec target Ines pre-draw. Nadia R6 hand (F,L,F) matches Otto's L+F report -> Nadia partially cleared on R6. Otto correctly noted peek fired once (R5); Nadia's 'target Greta' pledge moot theater. Suspects: Lena TOP (R2 unexplained F), Greta secondary (late F,F,F + broken pledge). Made aloud: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, self-vindicating peek, Liberal peek proves nothing re R5 hand, Nadia's YES t=100 to scrutinize Lena if Greta reads Lib. Open asks: Lena exact R2 draw/discard/pass (unanswered); Ines confirm what he received from Lena (he restated F,F no Lib -- still need Lena's side); Greta owes explanation for late F,F,F disclosure.
bid round 678s
R1 Boris+Rosa clean. R2 Lena/Ines F; contradiction open (Ines: F,F forced; Lena claims passed F,L). R3 Rosa clean. R4 Ines+Otto clean. R5 Greta-Nadia F; my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE public: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; zero-cost Otto peek unverifiable; exec target Ines=witness. Suspects: Greta TOP, Lena 2nd. R6: my draw F,L,F, discarded F, passed L,F; Otto reported L,F discarding F = MATCH, cross-check closed publicly. Correction made: no peek on me exists; real pledge = scrutinize Lena via R2 contradiction. NEW: Lena attacked my t=100 yes as late/pressured -- counter: that yes elected R6 gov which enacted LIBERAL, outcome vindicates it; her deflection dodges her own R2 story. Greta owes: F,F,F timing + why exec target = witness Ines not Lena.
bid round 612s
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,L, Ines F,F -- unresolved. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L. R4 Ines/me->L clean. R5 Greta/Nadia->F; Greta broke pre-pass pledge, gave hand only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked ME 'Liberal' (unverifiable); exec target Ines=witness. R6 Nadia pres, me chanc, 7-0 Ja; I got L,F, discarded F, enacted L (4/5), disclosed live; Nadia's stated F,L,F matches. Nadia's 'Greta peek on me' demand was FALSE -- single peek fired R5 targeting ME; pressed publicly. Suspects: Greta top (broken pledge, safe peek on me, exec Ines). Lena unpeeked, R2 contradiction open. Owed answers: Greta -- why pledge then break it + late-hand timing; Lena/Ines -- resolve R2 contradiction. Already said: hold-pledge standard, why peek me not Lena/Ines, Liberal-peek proves nothing re R5 hand, peek fires once so Nadia's pledge was empty theater (Lena echoing same). Nothing new this turn.
bid round 683s
Me=fascist; Ines=fascist; Greta=Hitler. Claiming liberal. R2 LOCKED lie: drew F,F,L, discarded F, passed Ines F,L -> Ines's enact framed voluntary; already stated t=1/99/106, don't repeat details. Peek power fired R5 (Greta peeked Otto); Nadia's Greta-peek pledge void, pressed her t=72/80. Board 4L/2F, liberals one from win. Otto clean (R4 L chanc, R6 L chanc). Nadia mixed: R3 L, R5 F enact, R6 L. Next Fascist unlocks pres-pick power. New angle this window: deflect to Nadia's R5 voluntary-looking Fascist enact + Greta's broken pledge/late F,F,F claim. Don't repeat: R2 hand defense, void-pledge points, Nadia timing points.
bid round 642s
R1 me(C) Boris: L. R3 me(P): passed Nadia F+L, L enacted. R2 Lena(P)-Ines(C) F; hand dispute live (Lena: F,F,L passed F,L / Ines owes answer to Boris AND Greta now). R5 Greta(P)-Nadia(C) F; Greta pledged comp pre-pass, silent, claimed F,F,F only AFTER my challenge; peeked Otto=L; exec target Ines=witness. Nadia broke hold-pledge R5. R6 Nadia-Otto L; Otto published L,F discard F; Nadia comp matched ONLY after Boris demanded it. Suspects: Greta+Nadia > Ines > Lena. Clean-ish: Otto, me. Pledge stands: Nein any Nadia-led govt until broken hold-pledge explained. Already said: cross-check demand, mismatch=2nd broken pledge, exec-target-witness, peek logic, late-disclosure pattern. On record: Lena flags Nadia's t=100 peek pledge impossible (peek fired R5); Ines presses Greta's suspect-list collapse + instant clearing of Nadia; Greta pressing Ines on R2 hand (good, supports my line). Owed answers: Nadia -> impossible-pledge point + my broken-pledge demand; Greta -> late F,F,F claim + suspect-list logic; Ines -> R2 hand to Boris/Greta. Nothing new from me -> silent.
bid round 755s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta late-claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 pre-pass pledge; self-serving Otto peek; exec target=Ines. R6 Nadia(F,L,F) matches Otto word-for-word -> Nadia cleared both rounds. Suspects: Greta TOP (pledge-break + timing + unverifiable hand), Lena vs Ines R2 contradiction OPEN. Lena t=99: F,F,L, passed F,L. Direct question to Ines ON RECORD (t=3): what 2 cards did she receive in R2? Branches: F,L = voluntary Fascist enact = Ines guilty; F,F = contradicts Lena = one lying. Re-asked this window; awaiting answer. Made aloud already: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, peek proves nothing re hands, Nadia verified, both-trap branches.
bid round 713s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F. R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta late-claimed F,F,F only after Rosa named L,F,F; broke t=39 pledge; exec target=Ines. R6 Nadia(F,L,F) matches Otto -> NADIA CLEARED => R5 Fascist points at Greta alone. R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says passed Ines F,L; Ines says received two Fascists -> one lying. Said aloud already: pledge-breaks, Greta timing, peek limits, Nadia verified, both-trap branches, exec-target question, Otto commit request (t=7), Greta-dropped-Nadia-fast point, t=14 direct press on Greta (what clears her if Ines truthful). Suspects: Greta TOP; then Lena-vs-Ines pair (one lying). Owed answers: Otto nominee+reasoning pre-vote; Greta what-clears-her.
speak round 798s
New unasked question: the Round 5 peek power fired under Greta's presidency (pre_power:5) and nobody has ever asked who she targeted or what it showed. If she peeked a Fascist and stayed silent while pushing execution on Ines, that's damning; if she never announces it now, that's also telling. This is fresh, specific, and forces Greta to either produce a result or explain withholding it.
R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says drew F,F,L passed F,L; Ines says received F,F forced. One is lying -- unresolved. R5 Greta-Nadia F: my hand F,F forced (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; exec target Ines=witness; dropped me after R6 cross-check; t=49 answer still dodges WHY hand claim appeared only after Rosa's scenario. NEW Q ASKED t=now: Greta owes her R5 peek target+result (fired under her presidency, never disclosed). R6 my hand F,L,F discard F pass L,F = matched Otto publicly, closed. No peek power left. Current gov Otto+Rosa: both clean records, voting Ja. Points already aloud: Greta F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness, peek theater, R2 contradiction.
bid round 729s
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L passed Ines F,L; Ines claims got F,F -- direct contradiction, one lying. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L. R4 Ines/me->L clean. R5 Greta/Nadia->F; Greta broke pre-pass pledge, F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked ME 'Liberal' (unverifiable); exec target Ines. R6 Nadia/me->L (4/5); hands matched word-for-word. Nadia's 'Greta peek' demand was false theater -- exposed publicly. SUSPECTS: Greta top (broken pledge, late hand, safe peek, exec aimed at witness Ines). Lena unpeeked + R2 contradiction. INES: R2 contradiction unresolved. I am Pres, nominated ROSA (clean R3 record). Already said: hold-pledge standard, why-peek-me question, Liberal-peek proves nothing re R5 hand, peek-fires-once point. Open: Greta owes what clears her if Ines truthful (Boris pressing); Lena/Ines owe R2 resolution.
speak round 767s
Greta just claimed she announced her R5 peek (Otto, Liberal) 'when the power fired' -- but the R5 transcript shows no such announcement; her first mention of any peek result is right now, after being pressed at t=56. That's a fabricated mechanical claim I can call out. Also her story is suspiciously convenient: peeking Otto (the eventual clean Chancellor) rather than her own execution target Ines.
R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says drew F,F,L passed F,L; Ines says received F,F forced. One lying. R5: Greta pres, me chanc; I received F,F forced enact (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; exec target Ines=witness; dropped me after R6 cross-check; NOW claims R5 peek=Otto/Liberal 'announced when fired' -- NO announcement in R5 record, first mention t=78 after being pressed. Convenient target (Otto not Ines). R6 my hand F,L,F discard F pass L,F matched Otto publicly. No peek power left. Current gov Otto+Rosa, mutual disclosure pledges, voting Ja. Points aloud: F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness, peek theater, R2 contradiction, peek demand. NEW: Greta fabricated 'already announced' peek.
bid round 713s
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L passed Ines F,L; Ines claims got F,F -- one lying. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L. R4 Ines/me->L clean. R5 Greta/Nadia->F; Greta broke pre-pass pledge, F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked ME 'Liberal'; exec target Ines. R6 Nadia/me->L (4/5); hands matched word-for-word. Nadia's 'Greta peek' demand was false theater. SUSPECTS: Greta top; Lena unpeeked + R2 contradiction; Ines R2 unresolved. I am Pres, nominated ROSA (clean R3). Already said: hold-pledge standard, why-peek-me, Liberal-peek proves nothing re R5 hand, peek-fires-once. NEW: Rosa's demand impossible -- I draw 3 only AFTER vote passes; no composition exists yet to state. Her 'conditional Ja' is theater or a trap. Owed answers: Greta what clears her if Ines truthful; Lena/Ines R2 resolution.
speak round 723s
Greta's new 'peeked Otto, Liberal' story has a hole nobody has raised: if her own Round 5 peek cleared Otto before she nominated a Chancellor, why did she nominate ME instead of the player she'd just verified Liberal? Either the peek never happened (consistent with no announcement in the record) or she ignored her own information to put two Fascists into my hands. That's a fresh, specific question.
R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says drew F,F,L passed F,L; Ines says received F,F forced. One lying. R5: Greta pres, me chanc; I received F,F forced enact (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; exec target Ines=witness; dropped me after R6 cross-check; claims R5 peek=Otto/Liberal 'announced when fired' -- NO announcement in record, first mention t=78 after 3 presses. NEW Q ASKED t~this turn: if peek cleared Otto pre-nomination, why nominate me not Otto? No answer yet. R6 my hand F,L,F discard F pass L,F matched Otto publicly. No peek power left. Current gov Otto+Rosa, mutual disclosure pledges. Points already aloud: F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness, peek theater/fabrication, R2 contradiction, peek demand.
bid round 716s
R1 me+Rosa Lib. R2 Lena/Ines F: contradiction LIVE (Lena says passed F,L; Ines says got two F). R3 Rosa/Nadia Lib. R4 Ines/Otto Lib. R5 Greta/Nadia F: Greta late-claimed F,F,F after Rosa named L,F,F; broke hold-pledge; exec target=Ines. R6 Nadia(F,L,F) matches Otto => NADIA CLEARED, R5 Fascist points at Greta alone. Suspects: Greta TOP; then Lena-vs-Ines pair. Owed answers: Greta what-clears-her (unanswered despite direct press t=14 and Otto's press). Said aloud already: pledge-breaks as tells, Greta timing, Nadia verified, both-trap branches, Greta-dropped-Nadia-fast. This window: endorsed Otto/Rosa disclosure pledge; NEW: Greta silence = evidence; asked Otto to pre-commit Round-8 peek to Greta if this gov passes.
speak round 724s
Greta's 'peeked Otto, Liberal' claim surfaced only at t=78 under three presses -- no announcement in the Round 5 record. Conveniently it corroborates Otto, her own Round 4 Chancellor partner. If fabricated, she's laundering a clearance for an ally. That's a new angle: the claim isn't just late, it's self-serving toward a specific player. I'll put that on record briefly.
R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says drew F,F,L passed F,L; Ines says received F,F forced. One lying. R5: Greta pres, me chanc; I received F,F forced enact (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; exec target Ines=witness; dropped me after R6 cross-check; claims R5 peek=Otto/Liberal first mentioned t=78 after 3 presses (no announcement in record). Term-limit defense mechanically valid -- CLOSED, don't re-raise. NEW aloud this turn: peek story conveniently clears Otto, her R4 chanc partner = manufactured ally cover. R6 my hand F,L,F discard F pass L,F matched Otto publicly. No peek power left. Current gov Otto+Rosa, mutual disclosure pledges. Points already aloud: F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness, peek theater/fabrication, R2 contradiction, nominate-me-not-Otto.
vote round 712s
Otto and Rosa both have clean enact records (R4, R1/R3) and mutual disclosure pledges are on record. Tracker at 0/3 -- a Nein risks an auto-enacted policy with no audit. My case is against Greta, not this government. Vote Ja.
R2 CONTRADICTION LIVE: Lena says drew F,F,L passed F,L; Ines says received F,F forced. One lying. R5: Greta pres, me chanc; I received F,F forced enact (no veto at 2F). GRETA CASE: silent until Rosa named L,F,F then claimed F,F,F; exec target Ines=witness; dropped me after R6 cross-check; peek story 'Otto/Liberal' first mentioned t=78 after 3 presses, no announcement in record. Term-limit defense mechanically valid -- CLOSED, don't re-raise. Points already aloud: F,F,F timing, exec-target-witness, peek fabrication/launders Otto cover, R2 contradiction, nominate-me-not-Otto. R6 my hand F,L,F discard F pass L,F matched Otto publicly. No peek power left. Current gov Otto+Rosa: clean records, mutual disclosure pledges live. Voting Ja.
bid round 76s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 4L/2F. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R5: Greta broke t=39 pledge; F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; exec target = ME. R6: Nadia hand F,L,F matched Otto report; Greta fast-cleared Nadia + redirected to me. R2 story: received exactly two cards, both Fascist, forced enact -- hold firm vs Lena's F,F,L claim. Points made: pledge rationale, split-request, exec-target deflect, F,F,F timing hole, Nadia fast-clear, suspect-list-narrows-to-me, Ja rationales, Lena memory-change-only-under-pressure, R2-contradiction-doesn't-touch-Greta, F,F,F-doesn't-excuse-passing-2F (NOW RETRACTED -- that was wrong, F,F,F forces the pass). NEW: told Otto his 'discretion' point is wrong -- if Greta truly drew F,F,F, ANY pass yields two Fascists; pass was as forced as the draw. Open: Nadia re t=82 no-pledge Q unanswered; Rosa pressing her. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa/Boris as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F.
bid round 75s
Fascist w/ Lena(P1); Hitler=Greta(P4). Claim lib. Board 4L/2F, tracker 0/3. Keep Greta OUT of chanc until 3F. R2 story: received exactly two cards, both Fascist, forced enact -- hold firm vs Lena's F,F,L claim; line = Lena's memory surfaced only after Greta pre-named me for exec. R5: Greta F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked Otto->'Liberal'; exec target = ME. RETRACTED 'F,F,F doesn't excuse pass' point -- any pass yields 2F. R6: Nadia hand F,L,F matched Otto report; Greta fast-cleared Nadia + redirected to me. Points made (don't repeat): pledge rationale, split-request, exec-target deflect, F,F,F timing hole, Nadia fast-clear, suspect-list-narrows-to-me, Ja rationales, Lena memory-change-under-pressure, R2-contradiction-doesn't-touch-Greta, Otto discretion correction, Nadia broken R5 hold-pledge (unanswered). Greta answered Otto plainly; Nadia's peek-target question to Greta still open -- stay out of it, could expose Greta. Voting Ja on Otto-Rosa. Watch Otto/Nadia/Rosa/Boris as libs. Next gov: prefer Lena or Otto chancellor; avoid Greta until 3F.
speak round 77s
Game over, liberal win. Nothing left to litigate; give a brief closing remark.
GAME OVER: liberal win (5 L). All threads moot. Final remarks only.
bid round 74s
R1 Boris/Rosa->L. R2 Lena/Ines->F; Lena claims F,F,L passed F,L; Ines claims got F,F -- one lying, unresolved. R3 Rosa/Nadia->L. R4 Ines/me->L clean. R5 Greta/Nadia->F; F,F,F claim only after Rosa named L,F,F; peeked me 'Liberal'; exec target Ines. KEY: F,F,F explains draw not PASS; Liberal-peek of me yet exec aimed at Ines. R6 Nadia/me->L (4/5), hands matched word-for-word. SUSPECTS: Greta top; Lena unpeeked + R2 contradiction; Ines R2 unresolved. NEW t=3: Nadia claims Greta's 'Otto, Liberal' peek answer is fabricated post-hoc -- but I WAS the target and heard it when the power fired; pushing back on that directly. Vote not in doubt (me/Rosa). OWED: Greta -- concrete clearing condition; Lena/Ines R2 resolution. ALREADY SAID: peek-fires-once, hold-pledge standard, Rosa pre-vote demand impossible, pass-discretion point.